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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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as we speak chris o'brien is probably

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motoring his way to a secret habitat

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in new mexico or something like that to

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continue his writing project with david

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perkins i gather

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we might actually hear from him during

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the course of this episode if he has

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decent cell phone reception

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otherwise he'll be lost in a digital

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haze that's kind of like a transporter

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beam that doesn't quite get the

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information so you end up at the other

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end of the connection with the head of a

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fly oh no that was a that was a bad

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science fiction movie or you end up in

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the wrong time well that's it too of

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course there are a lot of times i'd like

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to visit but i'd like to be younger when

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i get there so if i go back

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like 50 years i want to be 50 years

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younger or if i go 50 years in the

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future

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50 years younger that would be

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interesting i just wonder here with a

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transporter it's supposed to duplicate

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your molecules exactly but imagine just

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imagine here

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that it could modify you so when you are

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reassembled at the other end of the

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connection you've got more hair you're

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slimmer more muscular you're 20 years

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younger you know you kind of develop

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yourself and have the transporter

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computer

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figure out your ideal personality not

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just a duplicate but something better

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well instead of the fountain of youth

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you'll have the transporter of youth i

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wonder why star trek really hasn't

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focused on that well funnily enough i

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actually just was

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wasting some time earlier watching uh it

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was a star trek episode

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uh involving a classic transporter

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accident you know sent to the wrong time

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and how do you get back that kind of

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thing they've used that so many times

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over all the

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the different incarnations well you know

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there's going to be a new star trek

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series from cbs

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called star trek i guess discovery which

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is a

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starship that

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is before the enterprise and it will

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focus on

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the first officer to be called number

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and that was a character that appeared

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first in the cage the first star trek

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episode that was made as a pilot and

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then it was disassembled

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as a two-parter when they got the

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original series cast okay so the woman

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who plays nurse chapel played number one

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yes yes i i remember

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so her character will be the character

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migelle bought it

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see that's the character it'll be based

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so it still observes star trek but star

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trek maybe 10 years

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ahead of the captain kirk era and so the

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way it's going to work with cbs is that

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it'll premiere on the network and then

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supposedly you will subscribe to cbs all

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access i think outside the u.s it'll be

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on netflix yeah probably sure so i

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wouldn't even try to project the various

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licensing

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but i don't do that kind of thing the

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only subscription service i get is

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netflix right now and i moved into a

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complex which has fairly inexpensive

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rents but free internet

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and free dish network free internet you

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can't argue with that really

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and free dish network but not completely

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free you got paid for the set-top box so

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it's free for the service but to

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actually get the service you have to pay

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20 30 a month which is better than 150

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or 200.

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now what i want to ask you about that

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before we get on with our guests and

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everything

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in

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scotland

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what kind of tv service do they offer

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there satellite like we have here or

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what just not too long ago all there was

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was just the terrestrial tv normal tv

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then cable started coming in really in

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the 1980s

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with the satellite late 80s i suppose

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and then there was a big what they call

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free view this first kind of free

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and nowadays most

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tv packages like this they're they're

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bound up with the old you get your

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landline phone

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sky television whatever and your

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internet all those three are all

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together the tv the internet the

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broadband and your landline at home

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phone companies and what have you are on

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the go but so i would say that you

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people do have digital set top boxes but

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you you don't really need the uh the old

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dish anymore i don't think i don't think

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well people do still have dishes

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um putin

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i i've never actually i've never had

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satellite myself but i'm just thinking

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i'm sure i know people

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with

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sky which is a satellite company but

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they don't have a dish so then it must

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come you know through the cable as it

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were just like through the uh the

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internet i suppose well here there is

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probably a dish for dish network but

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it's at the main office the clubhouse

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for this complex a housing complex and

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so everybody has a coax cable here and

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that goes through every dwelling and the

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same thing with the internet there's an

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ethernet port at least one in the

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dwelling and with a little bit of

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finagling i was able to get them to give

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me four for no extra cost so there's

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where we go in case it obviously gives

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us good reception on skype goggs have

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you heard at all this story about the

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fact that they're getting some kind of

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signal from space that might have some

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intelligence i read just actually

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tonight on

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you know the australian podcast

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mysterious universe micah hanks you know

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nick redfern people like that quite

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often write stories there and it's a

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great site just to go in and to see

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who's written what and i did see one

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today about it's not not a

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city or

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whoever had actually recorded this

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signal haven't jumped out saying you

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know this is whatever but the initial

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thoughts are that it is definitely not

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anything random

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i can't remember it comes from one of

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these quite mundanely named star systems

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not one of the bet i believe in uh

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what constellation is in gene

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i'm looking at that right now

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okay and it says here i'm looking at the

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location here and i have to keep going

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it's not a very far star system

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i think it's 94 light years away

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now if that's the case then what we're

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would be 94 years old

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so that being the case it's getting more

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interesting there of course we found an

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earth-like planet on one of the stars in

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alpha centauri which is like four some

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odd light years away

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now unless we have warp drive this is

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still a deal breaker because it'll take

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many years for us to get there

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and back of course if the aliens are

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using subspace then we get the signal

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immediately if we develop that

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technology

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and if they have warp drive well

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we mentioned this when we were talking

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to mark d'antonio

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just a few weeks ago on the power cast

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that there is

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a possibility that we have

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a burgeoning handle on what warp drive

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so possibly in the next i don't know a

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few decades zeph from cochrane will be

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able to invent warf drive be contacted

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by the vulcans and that's all over folks

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well i mean i think the the the whole

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kind of science right now would look at

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it as being a problem of we just don't

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even have near the capability to produce

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enough energy to

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warp space the thinking just now is that

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to physically warp the fabric of space

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takes just a ridiculous amount of energy

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now i understand that the newest

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development is much less ridiculous yes

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i i'd heard that too but what i was

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going to say it wasn't that long ago

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before we didn't know about atomic power

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an atomic power compared to

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other forms of power even like steam

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locomotion or something

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was just a quantum leap and who's to say

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that we don't discover another quantum

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leap in terms of

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energy generation and then these kind of

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calculations before even doing anything

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might not seem so far fetched but i had

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heard that maybe somebody had

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streamlined a design a theory that may

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not need anywhere near the

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the kind of

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amounts of energy that were being talked

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about but i don't really know any

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specifics we'll have specifics but not

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about that we have dr robert davis who

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works with experiencer.org

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so obviously he does talk to people

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who've been abducted or had other

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experiences but he's also skeptical

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about the progress being made to figure

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out what ufos are so i think he's

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speaking my language dr robert davis

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dr robert davis is someone who's been in

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and around the ufo field for a while

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he's with

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experiencers.org which is the edgar

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mitchell

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organization and we'll talk to him about

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that he's also author of a recent book

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called the ufo phenomenon should i

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believe and we want to know about that

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and he's given me permission dr davis to

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call him bob so bob welcome to the power

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cast i know you're a listener so you

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know the routine tell us about your

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background and what led you

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into the ufo field well gene thank you

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very much for inviting me on your show

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i've been a long

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time listener

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for some reason i've always been

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interested in the phenomenon like

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millions of others i'm not entirely sure

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why

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but what really sparked my interest was

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when my wife and i observed two orange

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orbs in sedona arizona back in 2012. and

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uh one appeared round orange and then a

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second second one either emerged from it

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or from behind it they both remained

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stationary for a period of time and then

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eventually winked out

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from that moment on i decided to commit

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my thoughts opinions etc on paper and

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that evolved into the book

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from that i

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appeared on many radio shows

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members of the dr edgar mitchell

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foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters

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extraterrestrials a term i do not like

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but will use it anyway

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they invited me to be a member of the

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board of directors and research team of

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this relatively new foundation

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and we have undertaken a very intensive

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research

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program trying to better understand the

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nature of the phenomenon

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but uh briefly i did receive a doctorate

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in neuroscience from the ohio state

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university

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and have

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been a researcher for numerous years and

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thus i i try to maintain an objective

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opinion about this phenomenon and i'm

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not going to

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draw any firm conclusions during our

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discussion because i have none now

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that's an interesting thing here bob

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because when we had someone representing

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the foundation maybe a year or two back

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i kind of ragged on them for using the

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word extraterrestrial

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i don't know if you remember that

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particular show and they didn't change

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it because nobody listens to me that's

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perfectly normal my wife doesn't listen

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to me my son doesn't listen to me my dog

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certainly doesn't listen to me so why

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should any organization listen to me

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we have a lot in common apparently yes

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ray hernandez whose member certainly of

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uh the free foundation was on your show

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and uh he's really the the brains of the

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operation and uh he does a remarkable

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job leading the charge so to speak and

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directing our progress i do not like the

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term extraterrestrial coincidentally

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over the past few days members of

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our board of directors have been

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debating about an alternative term too

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extraterrestrial because there's no

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clear consensus or confirming evidence

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that this phenomenon is extraterrestrial

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in nature it may be it may be certainly

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reflective of numerous types of

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phenomena just not entirely the thing i

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want to emphasize here is i kind of

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think that at the early stages

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back to the days of major donald kehoe

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that they settled on et as a process of

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elimination well it exhibits

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advanced

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characteristics of flight

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we can't seem to keep up with it

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therefore it's doing things our craft

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can't do

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it seems to be real it seems to be solid

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it seems to be metallic

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therefore it must be e.t a process of

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elimination

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do you agree with me yeah i i certainly

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understand why they they label

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the phenomena

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using that term uh it's it is

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understandable at that time when the

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term was applied and and stuck through

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the decades we did not have

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a better grasp of the phenomenon which

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does

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have some aspects of the paranormal

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involved

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psychic phenomena of some type

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and

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certainly

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theories in quantum physics have emerged

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that attempt to also explain the nature

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of the phenomenon so as we learn more

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about the phenomenon it becomes less

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apparent that

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it is extraterrestrial entirely in

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nature although it may be

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but if we go back to

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statements from jacques valet and alan

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heineck and john mack among a few others

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it's certainly beyond a complex

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phenomenon that's not only physical in

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nature but has a so-called psychic

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component to it

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and we'll hopefully address that issue

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because some of the results from our

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research do clearly indicate that and

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we're certainly again not alone in that

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regard as other researchers have have uh

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came to that same conclusion okay so

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let's look at this now if someone says

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to you

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bob i think ufos are e.t obviously

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extraterrestrial and those

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involved in the disclosure movement kind

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of say well we know they're

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extraterrestrial let's just have the

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government confirm it for us and we can

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just sit back and relax so if you're

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confronted with this i think they're e.t

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we have to do a break in about a minute

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and 10 so just let you know

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what do you say we can cover this in

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this segment and the next

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what argument do you pose to them

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specifically we can go into detail here

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that indicates there is more to it than

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just

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e.t from alpha centauri or somewhere

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well with the data that that provides

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irrefutable evidence that it is e.t um

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it's a it's a speculation

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uh despite the contention by many

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leading ufologists who firmly believe it

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is et in nature uh and that's what turns

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me off to ufology

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in general among other many things

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but the conclusions drawn are made often

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times on the basis of of limited uh

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evidence that clearly indicates the

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nature

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and origin of this phenomenon of which

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we in my mind have no firm clue uh

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certainly more questions and answers

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than anything else and uh and and we we

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don't know of course the origin of it

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but it's it's almost by process of

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which is why many people regard it as as

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that

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in nature

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uh for lack of a better understanding of

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alternative possibilities of which we

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are becoming now more familiar with and

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thus

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extra-dimensional psycho-cultural

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hypotheses uh psychic phenomenon

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or an aberration of of the mind itself

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or all combined among other theories

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might be applicable towards explaining

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the theory

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hi my name is richard dolan you're

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the guest co-host is goggs makai chris

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o'brien is on the road somewhere if he

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is near a decent cellular connection

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which isn't always certain out there in

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the wilderness

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he'll call in robert davis phd author of

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the ufo phenomenon and as you see he's

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not an e.t believer so let's

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specifically look at this

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state some characteristics

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about ufos that create

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the doubt about e.t well i i don't

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dispel the possibility that

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some aspect of the phenomena could be

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from another solo system

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we simply can't make any firm conclusion

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however

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of what the nature of it is

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i i'm an agnostic therefore regarding

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the phenomenon

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after looking at the

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evidence objectively i can't commit

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either to a belief or a non-belief that

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they're controlled by

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something that's non-earthly inert and i

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i don't know despite again the

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contention of many that they do know i i

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don't see any firm evidence of that

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but obviously their behavior their

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kinematic behavior defies logical

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explanation they mitigate laws of

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inertia and gravity they have physical

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effects on on individuals as well as

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psychological effects

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and thus

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because of their because of the way in

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which they do not ascribe to current

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scientific principles

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people consider to represent an advanced

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civilization and and that's

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understandable

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now that doesn't necessarily mean again

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that that they are

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light years

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away from from earth and are coming here

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for whatever purpose

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um again that may be the case but i'm

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not going to stick my neck on the line

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and say that that that definitively is

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there are many other plausible

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explanations that might account for the

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phenomenon which in my mind is real and

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that's the only thing i can say with

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with

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absolute conviction this phenomenon is

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real the obvious question is the

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underlying who want and why is

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associated with the phenomenon and for

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which i believe we do not have a clue

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again despite the contention by by many

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researchers in the field that they do

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and continually

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continuing to focus on on the

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retrospective analysis of prior events

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like the obvious roswell and reynolds

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phoenix lights

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famous abduction cases

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among other noted well-researched events

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from the past we're not going to further

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our understanding of this enigma

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and yet i find it interesting i it's

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more appealing than watching the

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political debates on cnn i enjoy it but

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in terms of advancing our understanding

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of the phenomenon which which should be

742
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of paramount importance to the

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mainstream scientific community which it

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unfortunately is not

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and which should be engaged

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more in terms of proper research by

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ufology organizations which it is not

748
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:41,200
we have uh we have an associated

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complex situation which which represents

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a phenomenon that has potential for

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having significant implications on the

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personal and societal level that again

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is unfortunately largely ignored poorly

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00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:55,600
approached

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hi bob goggs here yeah i just wanted to

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come in here

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and quickly can i ask you did you ever

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have any kind of second thoughts about

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you know giving your name publicly to

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anything to do with abduction or ufo ufo

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research

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considering that you know you could have

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had a just straight ahead academic

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career in neuroscience and you know why

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why do you feel able to or maybe like

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maybe it's easy to ask you why you feel

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able to be open that you're interested

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in this subject but why do you think

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there's just such resistance in academia

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that to not investigate this subject

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because it's one of those subjects that

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we could investigate relatively so

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cheaply

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and the payoff could be so big you think

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well what's the harm in doing it so

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to me when we were preaching to the

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converted here in terms of you know

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myself and jean are in in total

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agreement with virtually everything

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you've said and i i still can't figure

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out why the scientific community why far

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more people at least would give it give

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it a look and maybe not even strain to

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abductions or anything that's too kind

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of edgy but even just to let's you know

786
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guarantee that we're looking at objects

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that are

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our knows known laws of physics etc um

789
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so why why do you think science still

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has this reluctance to get involved well

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yeah there are obvious uh uh issues at

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hand one obviously is the fear of

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ridicule by colleagues um john mack knew

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that all too well about a fight for

795
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tenure with with the administration of

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hobbit university for his

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atypical viewpoints regarding alien

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abductions which he eventually believed

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to be

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real in nature of course of

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people in

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academia need to try to get tenure thus

803
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they need to publish there are no

804
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scientific refereed journals and that

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will accept any papers on ufo related

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topics

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uh thus it's

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it's it's an area of research that

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doesn't have any payoff let's say

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in that regard in terms of advancement

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you know plus plus

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research that has been done in the past

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has yielded limited if any success and

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thus they may view that

815
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lack of

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conclusive

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results

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as as

819
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the foundation by which

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research is not worthy of investigation

821
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so

822
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and and many regard it obviously as a

823
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new age movement uh uh of pseudoscience

824
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in in general

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and and that's not consistent with their

826
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educational background

827
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uh but i think that the ridicule factors

828
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is at the forefront the forefront

829
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although there obviously are are several

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accommodations scholars

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engaged in this we have members on on

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free such as rudy shield the executive

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runs the astrophysics lab at harvard

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university

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um and john clemo noted uh noted

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psychologist dean raiden uh

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who i spoke to recently about the term

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extraterrestrial and he's i guess he he

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doesn't like it either

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who obviously is is an authority in

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parapsychology and related uh related

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topics um

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the

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scientists both present and past who

847
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,000
have been engaged in research but it's

848
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too few in number and that's one major

849
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:54,240
reason why the current state of affairs

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and ufology is is

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[Music]

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00:35:01,589 --> 00:34:58,960
begging

853
00:35:03,670 --> 00:35:01,599
for an overhaul in my mind yet let me

854
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emphasize that i commend

855
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all researchers who have have

856
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been

857
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spent considerable time and effort

858
00:35:13,270 --> 00:35:10,560
trying to understand this phenomenon and

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associated organizations who who

860
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have that same goal

861
00:35:17,670 --> 00:35:16,400
but unless

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unless

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we

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re-establish some kind of

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unified governance structure with

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defined goals and objectives

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to also recruit qualified scientists

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from

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multi-disciplinary

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00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:34,560
areas

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00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,440
to engage in in a type of research that

872
00:35:41,510 --> 00:35:39,599
may not be successful but at least the

873
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:41,520
attempts to be made

874
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:45,040
to try to devise a paradigm a protocol

875
00:35:48,870 --> 00:35:46,880
using current scientific principles and

876
00:35:50,550 --> 00:35:48,880
hopefully new ones to be established

877
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,560
which i think are required to better

878
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,400
understand this phenomenon we're not

879
00:35:56,069 --> 00:35:54,079
going to we're not going to make any any

880
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:56,079
advancements in the field

881
00:36:00,470 --> 00:35:58,640
and look at past several decades what

882
00:36:02,150 --> 00:36:00,480
have we learned we have learned a great

883
00:36:04,470 --> 00:36:02,160
deal there's no question about it but

884
00:36:07,910 --> 00:36:04,480
but if we're scratching the surface

885
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,920
um and and and we all want the answer

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00:36:11,750 --> 00:36:09,599
and we're never going to get the answer

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00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,760
by continually uh

888
00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:14,240
on on issues associated with with

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00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:16,640
roswell and and other retrospective

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00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:18,640
events which are very interesting

891
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,839
intriguing stimulating i enjoy listening

892
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:23,760
to it reading books on it there's a lot

893
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:25,599
of nonsense out there obviously as well

894
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,520
as a lot of sense and the public at

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00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:30,400
large finds it difficult to decipher who

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00:36:34,790 --> 00:36:32,079
and what to believe

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00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:34,800
and that and that is an another lack of

898
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:37,440
credibility to to ufology

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00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,440
we've got more to come with dr robert

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davis author of the ufo phenomenon and

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as you see he's pointing to

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00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:46,079
other possibilities and i have a few

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questions for him once he gets

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this is jacques valley you're listening

1011
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to the paracast

1012
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:37,349
our guest robert davis phd we call him

1013
00:41:42,470 --> 00:41:40,240
bob author of the ufo phenomenon and we

1014
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,480
had to do the break bob i interrupted

1015
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,240
you on your presentation would you like

1016
00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:46,400
to go on before i ask you a

1017
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:48,640
fly any ointment question okay

1018
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:52,000
oh no no go ahead please proceed okay

1019
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:53,520
fly in the ointment

1020
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,319
now this week by the way originally we

1021
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:58,160
were going to have james carrion who was

1022
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,720
a former international director of mufon

1023
00:42:06,309 --> 00:42:03,520
author of the rosetta deception and the

1024
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:06,319
forthcoming book the roswell deception

1025
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:08,960
and he'll be on in two weeks

1026
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,880
but in the meantime bob

1027
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,720
i don't know if you've followed what

1028
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:14,480
carrion has to say

1029
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:16,800
but he says the ghost rockets

1030
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:19,200
of world war ii and after that was kind

1031
00:42:23,750 --> 00:42:21,760
of a psyops operation where they're kind

1032
00:42:26,470 --> 00:42:23,760
of fooling or spooking the russians and

1033
00:42:29,430 --> 00:42:26,480
it wasn't really real and that there is

1034
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:29,440
an office of strategic deception that

1035
00:42:33,670 --> 00:42:30,800
was created

1036
00:42:35,270 --> 00:42:33,680
that may also be involved with roswell

1037
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,280
it was a deception

1038
00:42:40,309 --> 00:42:37,599
there was never a crash ship there it

1039
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,319
was all done in the interest of war

1040
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,520
games

1041
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,359
psychological effects during the cold

1042
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:45,040
war i don't know have you heard about

1043
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:46,160
this theory

1044
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:48,800
yeah and and it relates to the my lab

1045
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:51,599
phenomenon uh abductions that that are

1046
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:56,000
being conducted by by let's say earthly

1047
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:58,560
individuals for whatever whatever means

1048
00:43:03,030 --> 00:42:59,359
uh

1049
00:43:05,750 --> 00:43:03,040
and that may very well be be the case um

1050
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:05,760
it may have been initiated uh back in

1051
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:09,680
the 40s uh persisted through our time

1052
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,800
and for whatever reason who knows and

1053
00:43:17,829 --> 00:43:14,880
you know something i don't care

1054
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:17,839
um it it it's it's interesting however

1055
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:20,720
to contemplate but the point is

1056
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:22,000
it doesn't get at the heart of the

1057
00:43:26,150 --> 00:43:23,839
matter and that's that's where i'm

1058
00:43:28,390 --> 00:43:26,160
coming from let's let's stop with the

1059
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,400
retrospective analysis

1060
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:29,520
let's stop

1061
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:36,240
to figure out what presidents know about

1062
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:39,839
about ufos so you know the historical uh

1063
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:43,760
examination of specific cases

1064
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:47,280
etc etc and we need to be prospective we

1065
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need to

1066
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,920
focus our attention

1067
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,119
there

1068
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one way in doing so i think is what free

1069
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is doing among what other researchers

1070
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,119
too few in number have attempted in the

1071
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,920
past and and if anything

1072
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:04,079
from our research and and eventually

1073
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,079
we'll get into some of the data

1074
00:44:10,870 --> 00:44:08,960
uh if anything uh we're not going to

1075
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:10,880
have any answers we may be able to

1076
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,280
provide some keen insights

1077
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:15,839
that that go way above and beyond what

1078
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:17,760
we're going to learn about figuring out

1079
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uh

1080
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,560
anything from the disclosure project

1081
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,319
which is important and very interesting

1082
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:24,160
and i commend those who initiated it

1083
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:25,839
like grier and bassett

1084
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,920
but nevertheless

1085
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:30,480
we need to try to stimulate interest on

1086
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the part of

1087
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,280
the mainstream scientific community to

1088
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consider this

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an important concern and the only way to

1090
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do this is to generate

1091
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research

1092
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in as best a way as possible

1093
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,720
at the present time which is not easy to

1094
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do because there is so a lot of

1095
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,520
issues concerning the validity and

1096
00:44:59,750 --> 00:44:56,079
reliability of the methodology that that

1097
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,150
in terms of formulating

1098
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:05,040
concrete conclusions but nevertheless

1099
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:06,480
we'll attempt to

1100
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submit

1101
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,000
our research in refereed scientific

1102
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,079
journals to at the very least wake up

1103
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:14,880
the scientific community to hopefully

1104
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stimulate their interest making them

1105
00:45:23,030 --> 00:45:19,920
more aware of the phenomenon so that

1106
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:23,040
they can possibly build upon our

1107
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research eventually who knows when

1108
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,880
more understanding about the associated

1109
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,800
who want and why these other phenomena

1110
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:33,760
may be realized or not or not

1111
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:36,720
uh but but i i i can you know too much

1112
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,200
is is discussed about the past

1113
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:41,520
uh interesting yes we learned something

1114
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,640
yes

1115
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,400
but it's more entertainment as far as

1116
00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:46,560
i'm concerned than anything else

1117
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,640
we're not going to achieve the the

1118
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:49,839
essential

1119
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:54,079
objective which i just stated and um

1120
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,359
we need to overhaul ufology we truly do

1121
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:00,480
uh how that can be done no clue maybe

1122
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,960
it's not possible i i'm willing to leave

1123
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,720
the charge for whatever my two senses

1124
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:07,040
are worth let's say we're putting the

1125
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,760
whole of ufology into the washing

1126
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:12,000
machine we're pulling it out we're

1127
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:13,839
getting rid of all the crap we're not

1128
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,000
we're no longer looking at these tired

1129
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:18,319
old same cases and looking at the same

1130
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:19,119
way

1131
00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,119
as we hang out in the washing line or

1132
00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:24,160
whatever what what ideally

1133
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:26,960
would you like the new ufology to look

1134
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:28,960
like and how would it be different from

1135
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:30,880
the past

1136
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,440
uh that's that's an excellent question i

1137
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:34,480
i do

1138
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,680
uh address that to some extent in in my

1139
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:43,430
obviously we have to begin from the top

1140
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:44,319
down

1141
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:47,920
uh try to unify existing organizations

1142
00:46:51,430 --> 00:46:50,480
worldwide especially the more credible

1143
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:51,440
ones

1144
00:46:56,069 --> 00:46:52,960
and try to

1145
00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,079
provide a uniform umbrella so to speak

1146
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:58,640
where all information

1147
00:47:01,349 --> 00:47:00,000
or evidence

1148
00:47:04,630 --> 00:47:01,359
is shared

1149
00:47:07,270 --> 00:47:04,640
all databases are shared

1150
00:47:10,870 --> 00:47:07,280
there's one spokespers person

1151
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:10,880
with an associated team of of

1152
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:13,280
established leaders across many

1153
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,040
disciplines

1154
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:17,359
who can develop

1155
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,800
protocol

1156
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:20,960
by which we can

1157
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:22,079
develop

1158
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,240
research goals uh as well as

1159
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:28,480
goals to help inform

1160
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,400
the scientific community and and

1161
00:47:34,710 --> 00:47:33,680
humanity at large about the importance

1162
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:34,720
of

1163
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,440
this phenomenon as well as grantsmen who

1164
00:47:43,750 --> 00:47:40,560
can try at the very least to

1165
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,760
generate funds to maintain this this

1166
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:44,880
approach

1167
00:47:48,550 --> 00:47:47,839
um easier obviously said than done

1168
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,560
but

1169
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:50,640
the main thing here is to not only

1170
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:54,000
provide for a a competent governance

1171
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,200
structure

1172
00:47:58,230 --> 00:47:56,720
but to

1173
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,240
recruit

1174
00:48:03,670 --> 00:48:01,359
appropriate scientists from a wide range

1175
00:48:06,550 --> 00:48:03,680
of disciplines from biology physics

1176
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,560
sociology psychology philosophy religion

1177
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,960
etc etc etc

1178
00:48:12,390 --> 00:48:11,440
to focus attention on this develop

1179
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,400
theories

1180
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:14,640
methodological protocols in many

1181
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,800
different ways so that we have ongoing

1182
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:19,280
research

1183
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,480
in different ways not only necessarily

1184
00:48:27,030 --> 00:48:24,880
with experiences or individuals who

1185
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,040
claim to have

1186
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,760
upfront and personal contact with ufos

1187
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,920
and non-human intelligent beings of

1188
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:34,880
which there are of course many

1189
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,680
but in other ways too uh

1190
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,280
in terms of quantum physics the

1191
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,359
theoretical nature of this uh

1192
00:48:46,470 --> 00:48:43,760
controversial area

1193
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:46,480
might lend some insight into what might

1194
00:48:52,390 --> 00:48:49,280
be going on in terms of dimensional

1195
00:48:55,589 --> 00:48:52,400
aspects of the of the phenomenon as well

1196
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,599
as as well as paranormal like matters

1197
00:49:00,309 --> 00:48:58,480
that seem to be also interrelated with

1198
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,319
this and we might be looking at a

1199
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:06,870
a nuts and bolts craft from proxima

1200
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,119
centauri or wherever but we may be

1201
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:11,040
looking at a phenomenon

1202
00:49:16,390 --> 00:49:15,040
of which ufos is just one component part

1203
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,400
of many

1204
00:49:21,990 --> 00:49:19,119
once spoke on a wheel maybe they are

1205
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,000
interrelated with uh other types of

1206
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,839
phenomenon

1207
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,760
like near-death experiences out-of-body

1208
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:27,200
experiences

1209
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:29,200
intuition esp

1210
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,079
other paranormal parapsychological

1211
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,720
et cetera types of phenomena because we

1212
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,800
see hints of this

1213
00:49:41,190 --> 00:49:39,200
in our data and and other researchers

1214
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:41,200
have obviously noted this in the past

1215
00:49:44,790 --> 00:49:43,760
from from jacqueline

1216
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:44,800
as well

1217
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,400
let me throw one thing here let me throw

1218
00:49:52,069 --> 00:49:48,640
one thing here and we can continue our

1219
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,079
discussion on that basis now one of our

1220
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:54,400
occasional guests on the show and used

1221
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,160
to be a forum regular although lately

1222
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,720
he's been very busy and that's red pill

1223
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,720
junkie a guy named miguel

1224
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,720
from mexico

1225
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:05,040
and he wrote a theory that we featured

1226
00:50:09,270 --> 00:50:07,119
in the power cast newsletter where he

1227
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,280
shows the comparison between ufo

1228
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,079
abductions and near near-death

1229
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,119
experiences not necessarily unique but

1230
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:17,280
he made a very credible case in fact i

1231
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,520
asked for a guest editorial of maybe a

1232
00:50:24,630 --> 00:50:21,920
thousand words or so and he came up with

1233
00:50:27,270 --> 00:50:24,640
something many times that like a large

1234
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,280
book chapter and this is an area of

1235
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,280
focus that has to be considered the

1236
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,520
other one is where we go back to

1237
00:50:35,750 --> 00:50:32,720
the fact that we have these

1238
00:50:37,910 --> 00:50:35,760
organizations that will come out

1239
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:37,920
if you have a sighting mufon will send

1240
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,880
its

1241
00:50:43,030 --> 00:50:41,520
star team or somebody to talk to you and

1242
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,040
the problem has always been although

1243
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,280
they claim to be doing better now the

1244
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,280
problem has been that when they come out

1245
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,200
they're looking at the event as a

1246
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,680
singular entity into itself

1247
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,359
this is the event let's figure out what

1248
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:55,359
happened not well let's look at the

1249
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,680
witness what happened to the witness did

1250
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,359
they have something happened before the

1251
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,920
ufo after the ufo

1252
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:04,880
family histories personal histories

1253
00:51:10,549 --> 00:51:08,160
let's talk about the witness and can we

1254
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:10,559
integrate that can we separate

1255
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,000
ufos and other psychic events so-called

1256
00:51:17,910 --> 00:51:16,240
from the percipient and that's a

1257
00:51:19,829 --> 00:51:17,920
question which i'd like you to focus on

1258
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:19,839
because you've done experience or

1259
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,599
research and we want to get into more of

1260
00:51:25,309 --> 00:51:23,599
that in the next segment remember to

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1326
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welcome back to the paracast the gold

1327
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1328
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:14,800
and now

1329
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,150
so in keeping with this very fascinating

1330
00:54:27,349 --> 00:54:25,839
discussion bob

1331
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:27,359
you see the issues where i'm talking

1332
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,800
about here about yes the interaction

1333
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,319
between the experiencer and the

1334
00:54:35,190 --> 00:54:33,760
experience

1335
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,200
things like that

1336
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:37,520
that aren't being probed would you like

1337
00:54:42,870 --> 00:54:40,079
to add to it or expand on it uh gene

1338
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:42,880
that's a very insightful point on on

1339
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,319
your part and and that i think should be

1340
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:49,280
the essence of future research in terms

1341
00:54:53,910 --> 00:54:51,119
of again trying to understand this

1342
00:54:55,589 --> 00:54:53,920
phenomenon at least it's one of several

1343
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:55,599
related approaches

1344
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:57,839
but you mentioned the the relation

1345
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,559
certainly between ufos and ndes we see

1346
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:03,599
that too which is very interesting

1347
00:55:09,829 --> 00:55:07,119
in terms of personal accounts of of the

1348
00:55:11,829 --> 00:55:09,839
experience and kenneth ring a leading

1349
00:55:14,549 --> 00:55:11,839
nde researcher

1350
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:14,559
i think bro first brought this to the

1351
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:17,920
forefront in his book the omega project

1352
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:18,880
we've

1353
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:21,599
surveyed over 2 800 individuals who

1354
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:23,920
claim to have conscious recall not

1355
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:26,559
hypnotic regression or lucid dreaming or

1356
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:29,839
channeling or etc etc conscious recall

1357
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:31,119
and i'll probably wind up saying that

1358
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,559
three or four more times throughout the

1359
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:33,920
show but that's

1360
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,400
an important aspect of the results

1361
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,920
the outcomes

1362
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:40,079
in terms of positive transformative

1363
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:43,040
behavioral changes resulting

1364
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:45,440
from their experience

1365
00:55:50,470 --> 00:55:48,240
related to before the experience and

1366
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:50,480
after the experience

1367
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:53,040
is very similar in those who have again

1368
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:56,079
ufo related experiences with individuals

1369
00:56:05,109 --> 00:56:00,720
who report just nde experiences and the

1370
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,119
similarity is is remarkable enough to

1371
00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,760
consider it noteworthy what it means

1372
00:56:11,829 --> 00:56:09,839
again is something else it's for greater

1373
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:11,839
minds to try to figure out but at the

1374
00:56:16,309 --> 00:56:14,000
very least i i would think sociologists

1375
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:16,319
and psychologists who regard that alone

1376
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,359
as being

1377
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:20,319
you know comparatively important

1378
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:22,640
for instance for instance

1379
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:25,760
our results are similar to the results

1380
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:28,319
that have been found in individuals who

1381
00:56:33,589 --> 00:56:30,319
claim to have near-death experiences

1382
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:33,599
again this is all claim anecdotal and

1383
00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:36,559
that alone can be dismissed by you know

1384
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:39,200
many members of the scientific community

1385
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,640
but we see similarities what are they

1386
00:56:47,829 --> 00:56:44,880
positive personal transformation their

1387
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:47,839
desires in both cases both experiences

1388
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:50,799
ndes and ufos the desire to help others

1389
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,440
strongly increased over 80 percent in

1390
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,520
our surveys have said that

1391
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:57,520
their compassion for others

1392
00:57:03,510 --> 00:57:01,040
has strongly increased about 75 percent

1393
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,520
their appreciation for ordinary things

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00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:05,200
has strongly increased so again we're

1395
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:07,520
talking about over 75 to 80 percent and

1396
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:08,960
i'll stop throwing out the numbers

1397
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,799
because they're very similar with

1398
00:57:15,349 --> 00:57:12,799
respect to all this criteria their

1399
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:15,359
interest in psychic phenomena strongly

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00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,559
increased their ability to love others

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00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,799
in an impersonal way also increase

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00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,040
sensitivity to suffering of others

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00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,520
concern for spiritual matters less

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00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:27,680
interest in organized religion

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00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,760
it's hard not to see this as a as a

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00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,440
possible kind of

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00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,160
engineered awakening

1408
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:36,400
you know of maybe the human race like

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00:57:40,470 --> 00:57:37,520
you start

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00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,480
opening people up to new possibilities

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00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:42,799
and hopefully let it filter out through

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00:57:47,990 --> 00:57:44,960
the population and what do you think

1413
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,000
about thoughts like that bob i do mean

1414
00:57:52,829 --> 00:57:50,799
is that possibly the objective of

1415
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:52,839
whatever intelligence may be behind the

1416
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:55,760
phenomena at least in part yes

1417
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,280
yeah we could only

1418
00:58:01,670 --> 00:57:59,680
speculate obviously and and

1419
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,680
we can't make any conclusions i'm not

1420
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,000
here to say that that i am making

1421
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,040
conclusions or forcing these the this

1422
00:58:10,630 --> 00:58:09,200
data announced people's throats and to

1423
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,640
emphasize

1424
00:58:14,390 --> 00:58:12,319
that you know et's here and they're

1425
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:14,400
abducting humans that may be true may

1426
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:17,440
not be true but we can't help ignore the

1427
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,040
data which are intriguing and and

1428
00:58:24,549 --> 00:58:22,400
should be take taken

1429
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,559
much more seriously than than it already

1430
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:27,359
is the point is if individuals are being

1431
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,079
positively transformed but through their

1432
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,640
ufo contact experience and interaction

1433
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,559
with non-human intelligent beings

1434
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,520
conscious recall so they report we can

1435
00:58:42,950 --> 00:58:39,599
only speculate that as long as it is

1436
00:58:45,510 --> 00:58:42,960
vastly positive in nature maybe maybe

1437
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:45,520
the objective of whoever whatever is

1438
00:58:51,750 --> 00:58:48,079
behind it is to elevate consciousness

1439
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:51,760
spirituality of the human race maybe on

1440
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,040
a one by one basis that's a logical i'm

1441
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:57,119
not going to say a conclusion or it's a

1442
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,240
logical

1443
00:59:02,309 --> 00:59:00,000
suggestion

1444
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:02,319
but we see this why do people who have

1445
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,440
ndes come away positively transformed

1446
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:07,280
and that's a fact that that's more of a

1447
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:10,240
fact than than than it pertains to ufo

1448
00:59:14,549 --> 00:59:13,520
uh data which is which in comparison is

1449
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:14,559
limited

1450
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,160
in terms of database and sampling

1451
00:59:24,549 --> 00:59:21,599
whereas in ufos uh ufos excuse me you

1452
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,559
have ndes much more research has been

1453
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,880
done along these lines

1454
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:29,040
so we can only we can only speculate

1455
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,040
maybe there is something associated with

1456
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:33,359
that the qualitative research we are

1457
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:34,880
also doing

1458
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:36,640
with the same individuals who who

1459
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:39,680
participated in our quantitative surveys

1460
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:43,119
are elaborating more about this and what

1461
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:46,640
they say is just that interestingly

1462
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:48,400
the purpose

1463
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,200
or the major the major themes that

1464
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:53,839
emerge from what they come away with

1465
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:56,480
from their experiences elevation of

1466
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:58,000
consciousness

1467
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:58,880
uh

1468
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:01,839
the betterment of humanity become more

1469
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,040
ecologically uh sensitive you guys are

1470
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:07,599
messing up the planet

1471
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:10,640
consciousness is distinct from the brain

1472
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,480
there is life after death

1473
01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,400
there are alternate dimensions

1474
01:00:19,030 --> 01:00:15,599
uh

1475
01:00:21,510 --> 01:00:19,040
but spirituality unconditional love

1476
01:00:25,030 --> 01:00:21,520
consciousness associated uh

1477
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:25,040
factors seem to be common elements of

1478
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,160
what

1479
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,319
so many are saying and the question is

1480
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,040
why do we see such similarity

1481
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:32,880
now the results can certainly be

1482
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:36,400
dismissed discounted uh criticized for

1483
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:39,359
mythological reasons i understand that i

1484
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,640
i do too i i'm a hardcore scientist by

1485
01:00:48,390 --> 01:00:45,040
by training and and i'm well aware of

1486
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:48,400
the limitations of survey-based research

1487
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:50,640
but when we have such a large data

1488
01:00:57,910 --> 01:00:54,839
sample from conscious individuals

1489
01:00:59,349 --> 01:00:57,920
who during their experience report that

1490
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,359
to be the case

1491
01:01:03,430 --> 01:01:01,280
yet it's anecdotal

1492
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,440
it's not irrefutable evidence it's not

1493
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,119
tangible objective evidence but

1494
01:01:09,829 --> 01:01:07,280
nevertheless the large data set the

1495
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,839
similarity of

1496
01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:11,680
feedback

1497
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,680
says something

1498
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:15,119
interesting

1499
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:16,640
and i'm not going to make any

1500
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:19,280
conclusions based on that other other

1501
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,480
than to hopefully publicize results

1502
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,160
especially when we finish with our

1503
01:01:28,789 --> 01:01:26,400
qualitative interviews

1504
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:28,799
and analysis on the thousands of

1505
01:01:31,829 --> 01:01:30,240
individuals who are now providing

1506
01:01:33,990 --> 01:01:31,839
descriptive

1507
01:01:36,870 --> 01:01:34,000
over we have over ten thousand word

1508
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:36,880
document pages believe it or not of

1509
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,160
of these individuals who are answering

1510
01:01:44,870 --> 01:01:42,480
providing responses to over 60 related

1511
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:44,880
questions about their experience

1512
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,200
it's it's beyond intriguing in terms of

1513
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,920
the similarity of of

1514
01:01:55,030 --> 01:01:51,839
what they are coming away from the

1515
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:55,040
experience with the implications the

1516
01:01:59,670 --> 01:01:56,559
meaning of it

1517
01:02:03,190 --> 01:01:59,680
is for other minds greater than mine to

1518
01:02:05,190 --> 01:02:03,200
to try to figure out but i i i don't

1519
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:05,200
think anybody can come up with any firm

1520
01:02:09,030 --> 01:02:06,799
conclusion and it would be certainly

1521
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,040
wrong premature to do so on the basis of

1522
01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,599
the preliminary results we have thus far

1523
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:13,520
and this is going to be obtained

1524
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,400
worldwide we have research going on in

1525
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:18,319
germany latin america

1526
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:20,160
other countries the database will

1527
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,119
continue to expand greatly over time but

1528
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:25,760
once we publish our results

1529
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,319
hopefully we'll stimulate much more

1530
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:29,760
interest on the part of the scientific

1531
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,079
community to try to build upon the

1532
01:02:37,349 --> 01:02:35,520
foundation we're attempting to provide

1533
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:37,359
as a means to again

1534
01:02:43,030 --> 01:02:41,040
gain some insights into what is going on

1535
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:43,040
what governs and regulates this

1536
01:02:45,750 --> 01:02:44,400
phenomenon

1537
01:02:47,589 --> 01:02:45,760
and we're not going to have answers in

1538
01:02:49,829 --> 01:02:47,599
our lifetime

1539
01:02:51,510 --> 01:02:49,839
maybe in our next life we will so to

1540
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:51,520
speak and i'm now writing a book on life

1541
01:02:55,349 --> 01:02:54,160
after death so i can't help but but to

1542
01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:55,359
get that

1543
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:57,359
concept in

1544
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,280
let me stop here for a second guys thank

1545
01:03:03,589 --> 01:03:01,280
god you can go on all right we'll have

1546
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:03,599
to carry this over a bit to our next

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01:03:07,750 --> 01:03:05,440
segment but i want to drop in this

1548
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:07,760
material another fly in the ointment

1549
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:08,960
question of course you've gotten

1550
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,440
consistent results from your surveys and

1551
01:03:16,230 --> 01:03:13,599
now we have some abduction researchers

1552
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:16,240
most specifically the late bud hopkins

1553
01:03:19,190 --> 01:03:17,839
and david jacobs

1554
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:19,200
to them

1555
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,280
all abductions or at least

1556
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:24,000
most of the ones they've investigated

1557
01:03:27,750 --> 01:03:25,920
involve attempts to make

1558
01:03:30,870 --> 01:03:27,760
alien human

1559
01:03:32,710 --> 01:03:30,880
hybrids jacobs calls him hubrids he

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thinks this is some kind of

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program for e.t

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to create a race of hybrids that

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overwhelms us and eventually does i

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guess a silent takeover

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of earth

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so the question dr jacobs but hopkins

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01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:27,040
what is your opinion bob about their

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01:08:32,470 --> 01:08:28,719
research and their

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01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,480
conclusions about hostile alien intent i

1676
01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:34,640
think it's highly inappropriate to make

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01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:36,880
that conclusion what i do agree with

1678
01:08:42,390 --> 01:08:39,759
them about is that the so-called alien

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01:08:45,349 --> 01:08:42,400
breeding program hybridization does seem

1680
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:45,359
to be a component certainly of the

1681
01:08:48,229 --> 01:08:47,120
abduction experience

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01:08:51,030 --> 01:08:48,239
and

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01:08:54,070 --> 01:08:51,040
you know over 500 individuals of the

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01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,080
over 2 800 people who we have surveyed

1685
01:08:59,189 --> 01:08:56,640
make reference to just that in varying

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01:09:01,430 --> 01:08:59,199
ways and and some

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01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,440
have even commented that through

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01:09:05,269 --> 01:09:04,000
telepathic communication which is the

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01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:05,279
standard

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01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:07,359
channel or mode of communication

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01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,279
conducted as as we are are aware

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01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:12,799
they're informed

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01:09:20,870 --> 01:09:17,600
with our dna and they so to speak are

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01:09:23,590 --> 01:09:20,880
here to correct the era to result in you

1695
01:09:27,030 --> 01:09:23,600
know these so-called new newborn star

1696
01:09:30,870 --> 01:09:27,040
children or or or children who have

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01:09:33,430 --> 01:09:30,880
unique uh abilities that supposedly are

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01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:33,440
are improved

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01:09:37,030 --> 01:09:35,520
based on the current human templates

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01:09:38,390 --> 01:09:37,040
shall we say

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01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:38,400
the um

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01:09:44,550 --> 01:09:41,359
the alien breeding phenomenon is is a

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01:09:47,269 --> 01:09:44,560
theme not as not as uh

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01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:47,279
frequent as reported

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01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:50,400
by others like hopkins and jacobs who i

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01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:53,279
i respect they work greatly but again

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01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,760
their uh data were based on hypnotic

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01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,080
regression i believe was john mack who

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01:10:03,270 --> 01:10:01,040
said you know the abductee experience

1710
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:03,280
varies according to who does the

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01:10:08,310 --> 01:10:05,280
hypnotic regression which says something

1712
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:08,320
about the the poor reliability of that

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01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:11,440
technique for recall memory recall and

1714
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,360
we know that's what has been well

1715
01:10:17,990 --> 01:10:15,760
established by the the psychological

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01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,000
association although it is useful in

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01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:20,880
some respects but not in terms of

1718
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:23,760
accuracy of recall so

1719
01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:26,880
much of their data must be interpreted

1720
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,719
with a high degree of suspicion i would

1721
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,640
not interpret it literally which is why

1722
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:32,800
again we focused

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01:10:38,630 --> 01:10:35,920
uh our research on on individuals who

1724
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:38,640
claim to have conscious recall because

1725
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:40,719
of that confounding variable and and if

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01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:41,679
we

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01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:48,640
the word hypnotic regression forget

1728
01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,199
about it we're up for uh

1729
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,760
severe criticism yet nevertheless we'll

1730
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:56,640
be up for severe criticism regardless

1731
01:10:59,590 --> 01:10:58,719
given the nature of the information yeah

1732
01:11:02,550 --> 01:10:59,600
but

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01:11:03,350 --> 01:11:02,560
do you have any cases in which there may

1734
01:11:05,910 --> 01:11:03,360
be

1735
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:05,920
even a modicum of independent

1736
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:08,880
verifications so if somebody's claiming

1737
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:10,880
constant conscious recall of an

1738
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,920
abduction do you have any cases on your

1739
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:15,679
books in which you know

1740
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,239
somebody unrelated to that person may

1741
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:20,400
have witnessed something that kind of

1742
01:11:23,990 --> 01:11:22,960
correlates or are these all

1743
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:24,000
single

1744
01:11:31,270 --> 01:11:28,480
witness

1745
01:11:33,350 --> 01:11:31,280
yeah that's a good point single stories

1746
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:33,360
from single people and that again is a

1747
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:35,760
limitation uh which

1748
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:38,320
mitigates to some extent the validity of

1749
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,159
the information but there may be a

1750
01:11:44,070 --> 01:11:42,800
reason why uh hard taught to really know

1751
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,080
for sure

1752
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,880
uh but again i go back to the number of

1753
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:48,640
individuals saying the same thing the

1754
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:52,480
conscious recall of their accounts but

1755
01:11:58,870 --> 01:11:56,320
why do so many women claim that during

1756
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:58,880
their their presence on uh

1757
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:01,760
this craft are handed a baby that looks

1758
01:12:06,470 --> 01:12:04,320
humanoid but not a hundred percent and

1759
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:06,480
they have a knowingness that it is

1760
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,280
theirs or they they're on board the ship

1761
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,800
and their a baby is taken from them

1762
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:15,199
when they didn't know they were pregnant

1763
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:17,920
messages again of trying to manipulate

1764
01:12:24,070 --> 01:12:21,520
our dna because of inherent errors in it

1765
01:12:27,189 --> 01:12:24,080
that results in our brains being

1766
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,199
infallible the way they are or the the

1767
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:29,840
nature of humanity over time which is

1768
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,520
nothing to be uh

1769
01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,880
commended about

1770
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:35,679
maybe we're trying to be upgraded mary

1771
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,920
rodwell for instance a member of our of

1772
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:39,120
the free

1773
01:12:45,590 --> 01:12:42,000
has done a lot of research in this area

1774
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:45,600
and messages of dna manipulation from

1775
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,159
abductees comes across in her own

1776
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:50,800
personal research too

1777
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:53,679
we see we do see lines of evidence

1778
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:54,960
indicating

1779
01:12:59,990 --> 01:12:57,280
there is this variable there is this

1780
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,000
component piece to the puzzle and we can

1781
01:13:04,790 --> 01:13:02,800
only certainly speculate as to what

1782
01:13:07,669 --> 01:13:04,800
might be going on

1783
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:07,679
yeah it happens it happens

1784
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:11,520
dna uh sperm and eggs people say yeah it

1785
01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,520
they they take it from us people claim

1786
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,120
to be

1787
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:17,440
sexually engaged by

1788
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,400
beings

1789
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,480
um

1790
01:13:24,709 --> 01:13:22,800
and uh

1791
01:13:27,110 --> 01:13:24,719
there's something related to that now

1792
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,120
look all of this all of this

1793
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:28,800
everything i've said and will continue

1794
01:13:32,790 --> 01:13:30,640
to say may all certainly be an

1795
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,800
aberration of the mind a psychological

1796
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:35,040
disorder we have yet to

1797
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,000
discover or realize or not

1798
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,040
i'm not throwing any anything uh

1799
01:13:44,830 --> 01:13:43,360
out out the window in terms of possible

1800
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,840
alternative

1801
01:13:47,510 --> 01:13:46,400
explanations um

1802
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:47,520
you know

1803
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:52,880
beyond the e.t so-called e.t uh uh

1804
01:13:57,990 --> 01:13:56,080
the origin or nature to account for this

1805
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:58,000
kind of phenomenon

1806
01:14:06,229 --> 01:13:58,880
but

1807
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:06,239
it we see missing time pieces to it we

1808
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:07,040
see

1809
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,640
encountered to it

1810
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:17,199
humanoid being by the way the largest

1811
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,000
percentage of humanoids if i'm getting

1812
01:14:24,790 --> 01:14:21,760
off the topic a little bit followed by

1813
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,800
the grays over 50 are humanoid in

1814
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,120
appearance not exactly but humanoid

1815
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:29,600
looking obviously the grays certainly

1816
01:14:33,910 --> 01:14:32,080
insecticides reptilians we

1817
01:14:34,709 --> 01:14:33,920
you know etc etc

1818
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,719
but

1819
01:14:38,310 --> 01:14:36,800
there are there are so many aspects of

1820
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:38,320
the phenomenon

1821
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:40,960
like other body experiences

1822
01:14:46,310 --> 01:14:43,920
people claim to be taken on board uh you

1823
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:46,320
know transported

1824
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:47,600
levitated

1825
01:14:50,030 --> 01:14:49,120
uh uh

1826
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,040
they

1827
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:52,080
dematerialize uh

1828
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:54,239
go through solid matter then appear on a

1829
01:14:57,830 --> 01:14:55,040
ship

1830
01:15:00,070 --> 01:14:57,840
and then they reappear you know

1831
01:15:02,310 --> 01:15:00,080
somewhere in a different location

1832
01:15:05,110 --> 01:15:02,320
experiencing missing time

1833
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,120
uh there is

1834
01:15:10,870 --> 01:15:07,600
information about the spirit world

1835
01:15:13,270 --> 01:15:10,880
alternate dimensions of other realities

1836
01:15:15,030 --> 01:15:13,280
paranormal related experiences

1837
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:15,040
consciousness that's different than the

1838
01:15:19,669 --> 01:15:16,400
brain

1839
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:19,679
information received that that informs

1840
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:22,800
experiences or abductees that you're

1841
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:25,360
going to get the answer and do time

1842
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:27,120
you know you're not ready but you're

1843
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,880
you're like the chosen one that's why

1844
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,719
you're here on board

1845
01:15:35,270 --> 01:15:32,800
uh you're you're you're

1846
01:15:36,950 --> 01:15:35,280
you should be privileged uh

1847
01:15:38,229 --> 01:15:36,960
but and you'll find out the reasons yeah

1848
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,239
i know you have questions but you'll

1849
01:15:42,630 --> 01:15:40,320
find out the reasons you know in due

1850
01:15:45,110 --> 01:15:42,640
time what that means who knows but there

1851
01:15:46,790 --> 01:15:45,120
are implications or information shared

1852
01:15:49,669 --> 01:15:46,800
that have to do with the continuity of

1853
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:49,679
consciousness following physical death

1854
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:51,600
please everybody don't translate that

1855
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,360
too literally at this point in time i'm

1856
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:55,920
just saying what what where information

1857
01:16:00,310 --> 01:15:58,000
that we're getting you know

1858
01:16:02,550 --> 01:16:00,320
this is a lot different than than you

1859
01:16:03,510 --> 01:16:02,560
know people from mars you know coming

1860
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:03,520
here

1861
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:08,480
aspects of this phenomenon that heinrich

1862
01:16:13,189 --> 01:16:10,400
eventually became aware of

1863
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:13,199
as did mack as the valet as the john

1864
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:16,320
keel uh a few others even grant cameron

1865
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,400
now is is moving in this direction i had

1866
01:16:21,030 --> 01:16:19,920
a very nice conversation with him

1867
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:21,040
recently

1868
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,320
um and i commend him for all his prior

1869
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:26,719
work and and his you know evolution in a

1870
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,239
sense to to to to this uh you know

1871
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:32,800
aspect of the phenomenon

1872
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:34,320
let's break it here i got a bunch of

1873
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:35,520
questions and things and there's some

1874
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:38,000
questions from the audience for

1875
01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:40,560
bob we've got more to come with gene and

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dr otto warburg won the nobel prize for

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discovering how cells breathe he also

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discovered how normal cells turned into

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tumor cells he discovered the one prime

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cause of cancer was cellular oxygen

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01:20:13,110 --> 01:20:11,280
deficiency dr joanna budwig built upon

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the work of dr warburg and discovered

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how to feed the cells to overcome this

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01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:17,120
oxygen deficiency she found that it was

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a sulfur in the cottage cheese that

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would mix with fresh pressed flax oil

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that the flax soil would become

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emulsified and more readily absorbed

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black soil delivered in this manner was

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able to restore oxygen transfer to all

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cells of the body now there's a new

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method of pressing seed oils that

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produces the highest quality zero

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oxidation undamaged seed oils the

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results on these seed oils alone are

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amazing now add our life force enhanced

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one world whey protein powder that is

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much higher in the sulfur amino acids

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than cottage cheese is and you have a

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winning combination to confer health and

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energy like never before call

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[Music]

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this is kurt 7 the author of ufo

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mysteries and you're listening to the

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paracast

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[Music]

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now gox is going to ask you some

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questions from

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our audience in the forums bob and i'm

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going to ask you to keep your answers a

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little shorter because it's hard to get

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a statement in edgewise so let me throw

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out possibilities here number one is

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with abductions that the experience

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is perceived that way

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but may not be that it could be maybe a

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01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:35,679
metaphor for human evolution that we are

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changing into what we might call star

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beings as a result of evolutionary

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forces or if we're getting warnings

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about the condition of our planet that's

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mother earth

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communicating with us but this is the

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way we interpret it in a way we

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01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:51,679
understand just a couple of

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01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:54,000
possibilities there other than of course

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that maybe some abductions are staged by

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01:22:02,470 --> 01:21:59,760
the government to investigate us

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what are your reactions to any of this

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maybe all of the above maybe maybe none

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01:22:08,870 --> 01:22:06,560
of the

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01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:08,880
little truth to each it's impossible

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it's impossible to add any

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01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:14,080
firm conclusion and i hate to cop out

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please there's no evidence just to

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01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:19,040
support any of that other than

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01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,320
the possibility of my labs occurring and

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01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:24,800
again strong anecdotal testimony by a

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01:22:30,149 --> 01:22:27,440
lot of people who contend that there is

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some kind of ongoing uh

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01:22:35,030 --> 01:22:32,880
specialized unacknowledged access

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program whatever that might be doing

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01:22:39,990 --> 01:22:37,600
this for whatever reason who knows

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01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,000
but this has gone on for so many decades

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01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,000
and centuries if not

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01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:47,990
you can't ascribe the phenomenon to

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01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:51,679
that exclusively is it mother earth

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01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:54,239
maybe you know you get you get to this

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01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:56,080
cosmic unconsciousness you get into

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01:23:01,990 --> 01:22:59,440
quantum physics and and and

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01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:02,000
alternate realities and and maybe maybe

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01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:05,040
we're being affected somehow by

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01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:08,719
by beings from another dimension

2040
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,520
yeah but um before before we go on

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01:23:14,870 --> 01:23:13,679
earlier on you said that

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01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:14,880
you know

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01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:16,719
there are no

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01:23:21,990 --> 01:23:19,280
uh peer-reviewed scientific journals

2045
01:23:24,470 --> 01:23:22,000
that will publish

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01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:24,480
papers on you anything to do with

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01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:28,480
ufology how does your organization

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01:23:32,229 --> 01:23:30,800
hope to kind of break through that kind

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01:23:35,830 --> 01:23:32,239
of thing and

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01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:35,840
any of your researches conclusions

2051
01:23:41,750 --> 01:23:38,080
how do you hope to actually filter that

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01:23:43,149 --> 01:23:41,760
out of the ufological community and

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01:23:46,149 --> 01:23:43,159
get the

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01:23:49,270 --> 01:23:46,159
non-ufological scientific community to

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01:23:50,229 --> 01:23:49,280
maybe take note and start making headway

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01:23:52,310 --> 01:23:50,239
into

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01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:52,320
the rest of the you know the planet to

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01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,199
who

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01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:54,960
isn't into ufos

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01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,880
yeah there is one journal in particular

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01:24:02,229 --> 01:23:58,639
journal journal of scientific

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01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,239
exploration that that might very well be

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01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:04,080
an appropriate uh

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01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:07,280
source for publishing the data

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01:24:11,590 --> 01:24:09,520
there there are others refereed or not

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01:24:13,910 --> 01:24:11,600
these are nevertheless there are

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01:24:16,470 --> 01:24:13,920
respected journals out there that do

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01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,480
have a large following and and i will

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01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:18,320
certainly try and as well as other

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01:24:24,149 --> 01:24:21,280
members of free will certainly try to uh

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01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:24,159
co-author articles exclusively in

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01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:27,280
journalists in various topic areas and

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01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,280
see where that potentially goes

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01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,520
obviously we'll give presentations not

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01:24:36,470 --> 01:24:34,080
only to mufan i'm giving one in february

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01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,480
i hope to see you gentlemen there if if

2077
01:24:40,550 --> 01:24:37,840
you should attend

2078
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:40,560
but again again who am i talking to you

2079
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:42,080
know a select audience not going to

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01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,560
really turn anybody on or shake things

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01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,280
up in in the way that i want it to be

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01:24:53,350 --> 01:24:49,920
for ufology to evolve

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01:24:54,070 --> 01:24:53,360
but i foresee certainly giving papers at

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01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:54,080
more

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01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,520
professional conferences that are

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01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:57,679
scientific oriented

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01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,080
and certainly write books on it

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01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:02,320
it's going to be a slow evolving process

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01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,440
but if anything yes we have to educate

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01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,320
the scientific community try to arm

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01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,320
twist them in a reasonable fashion

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01:25:16,310 --> 01:25:13,760
providing research that is at least in

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01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,320
their minds relatively valid and

2094
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:19,280
reliable to spark understandable

2095
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:22,639
interest in in in this phenomenon and

2096
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:24,880
and that's something that just

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01:25:29,669 --> 01:25:27,040
i can't understand i truly can't

2098
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,679
understand uh it you know is it just me

2099
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,120
uh there's not many

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01:25:36,550 --> 01:25:33,679
scientists out there who are

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01:25:38,310 --> 01:25:36,560
engaged in research and i'm saying am i

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01:25:39,510 --> 01:25:38,320
crazy

2103
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:39,520
well you know there's part of the

2104
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:41,440
problem here also bob

2105
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:42,480
is that

2106
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:44,800
the coverage of ufos and related

2107
01:25:49,430 --> 01:25:47,280
phenomena is all about

2108
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:49,440
these are e.t believers

2109
01:25:52,390 --> 01:25:51,199
that's it they're e.t believers you have

2110
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:52,400
to spin

2111
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:55,440
by the mainstream media and it makes it

2112
01:25:59,110 --> 01:25:57,040
more and more difficult

2113
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:59,120
as a result all these years e.t

2114
01:26:01,350 --> 01:26:00,480
believers

2115
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,360
that

2116
01:26:05,910 --> 01:26:03,360
this way scientists mainstream

2117
01:26:07,510 --> 01:26:05,920
scientists are reluctant to get involved

2118
01:26:09,669 --> 01:26:07,520
because they think we're all a bunch of

2119
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,679
kooks i remember for example the

2120
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:12,560
international ufo congress

2121
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:13,440
in

2122
01:26:17,350 --> 01:26:14,719
this area

2123
01:26:19,189 --> 01:26:17,360
in february and one year i read a story

2124
01:26:21,990 --> 01:26:19,199
where it was all about

2125
01:26:23,189 --> 01:26:22,000
abductees commiserating with one another

2126
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:23,199
that's what the whole thing was about

2127
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:25,600
not that maybe there is a portion of

2128
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:27,920
people who are abductees who are

2129
01:26:32,149 --> 01:26:29,840
communicating with one another and they

2130
01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:32,159
get together at an event like this it's

2131
01:26:35,590 --> 01:26:34,639
everyone it's that

2132
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,600
spin

2133
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,440
that makes it difficult to get what you

2134
01:26:41,990 --> 01:26:39,600
want you're hitting it right on on

2135
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:42,000
target not surprisingly gene you do that

2136
01:26:48,950 --> 01:26:43,840
uh quite frequently

2137
01:26:54,149 --> 01:26:50,950
um yeah

2138
01:26:56,470 --> 01:26:54,159
yeah um you know it it it's associated

2139
01:26:58,870 --> 01:26:56,480
with new age movement and it is

2140
01:27:01,350 --> 01:26:58,880
it's associated with uh

2141
01:27:03,910 --> 01:27:01,360
leading ufologists who make

2142
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:03,920
extraordinary claims with

2143
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:06,719
a lack of supportive evidence

2144
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:07,520
uh

2145
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:10,719
it's it's it's a combination of of these

2146
01:27:18,390 --> 01:27:14,880
factors among many others besides the

2147
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:18,400
ignomatic unbelievable you know concept

2148
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:20,080
in and of itself

2149
01:27:24,550 --> 01:27:21,920
uh and and of course the lack of

2150
01:27:26,550 --> 01:27:24,560
ridicule factor among others that

2151
01:27:29,910 --> 01:27:26,560
that simply turns

2152
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,920
too many off um as well as the general

2153
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,679
population

2154
01:27:36,310 --> 01:27:33,840
but yeah it's regardless of

2155
01:27:39,270 --> 01:27:36,320
pseudoscience and if anything it should

2156
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:39,280
be turned into a an established

2157
01:27:44,149 --> 01:27:40,960
multi-disciplinary

2158
01:27:46,310 --> 01:27:44,159
science scientific discipline and that's

2159
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:46,320
why i want ufology to go it's going to

2160
01:27:51,510 --> 01:27:49,760
be a long evolving process but i think

2161
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:51,520
we need to try

2162
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,520
and i'm speaking to everybody out there

2163
01:27:58,229 --> 01:27:55,679
who's who's who represents the

2164
01:28:00,149 --> 01:27:58,239
leadership in ufology i commend all of

2165
01:28:02,790 --> 01:28:00,159
you i have great respect for you thank

2166
01:28:04,709 --> 01:28:02,800
you for all you've done hi bob

2167
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:04,719
we're going to move into some listeners

2168
01:28:09,350 --> 01:28:08,080
questions which we obviously ever do

2169
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:09,360
every show

2170
01:28:15,270 --> 01:28:12,400
um but people can post their questions

2171
01:28:17,590 --> 01:28:15,280
at forum forum.theparacast.com

2172
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:17,600
when we know a guest is coming up and

2173
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:19,440
and there's enough notice

2174
01:28:24,709 --> 01:28:21,920
we give listeners a chance to post their

2175
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:24,719
own questions so they can be read out

2176
01:28:28,629 --> 01:28:25,840
and

2177
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,639
i'm looking at a few here by eric the

2178
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:31,120
red who's been a foreign regular for

2179
01:28:36,870 --> 01:28:34,560
quite a while now 2013 he joined

2180
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:36,880
um some of his questions he's written

2181
01:28:42,390 --> 01:28:39,440
are a little bit wordy

2182
01:28:43,590 --> 01:28:42,400
um but i am going to actually take a

2183
01:28:46,629 --> 01:28:43,600
stab at

2184
01:28:47,990 --> 01:28:46,639
number five in his seven questions he's

2185
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:48,000
put for you

2186
01:28:54,310 --> 01:28:51,360
um and that is if these contacts are

2187
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:54,320
happening as frequently as three might

2188
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:55,679
believe they are

2189
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,400
how is it then that this has not been

2190
01:29:03,910 --> 01:29:01,440
captured on camera yet alien contact

2191
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,920
would be the discovery of human history

2192
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:06,000
and yet no one has managed to set up a

2193
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:08,639
camera on a tripod to film this it

2194
01:29:13,669 --> 01:29:12,000
defies belief this fact alone would add

2195
01:29:16,470 --> 01:29:13,679
weight to the view that we're not

2196
01:29:19,229 --> 01:29:16,480
dealing with actual contact at all but

2197
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:19,239
rather a complex psychological

2198
01:29:25,430 --> 01:29:22,719
confabulation process made popular and

2199
01:29:27,669 --> 01:29:25,440
socially acceptable by mass media and

2200
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,679
new age believers how would you respond

2201
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:30,080
to that i i would not make that cause

2202
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,840
effect relationship there just because

2203
01:29:34,709 --> 01:29:33,199
we don't have

2204
01:29:36,310 --> 01:29:34,719
you know

2205
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:36,320
uh pictures

2206
01:29:41,590 --> 01:29:39,360
of of their experience i would not then

2207
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:41,600
draw the conclusion that it's confabu

2208
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:44,560
confabulation based uh you know

2209
01:29:50,470 --> 01:29:47,360
experience or recall via hypnotic

2210
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:50,480
hypnotic regression certainly can create

2211
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,000
confabulation

2212
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:54,159
um but but

2213
01:29:57,669 --> 01:29:56,800
you know one possible explanation is

2214
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:57,679
that

2215
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,760
they prevent

2216
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:01,920
any videos of pictures being taken for

2217
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:03,920
obvious reasons and we know that that

2218
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,159
the phenomenon is associated with

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and and that might be at play here as

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well uh although their motives may be

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oh we'd love to embarrass our guests

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okay you had a long response to gog's

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question from our listener there you

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want to pick up on it before we go into

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another question no i i think i i think

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i i've sort of like can on that

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okay so i'm just going to go and choose

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a quickie now from eric's red again

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01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:42,440
and that is a major methyl

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01:35:49,030 --> 01:35:45,040
methodological problem is that a

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patently false e.t contact story could

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be look identical to one that allegedly

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isn't

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how can we tell them apart

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01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,159
well well you can't

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01:36:03,590 --> 01:36:00,560
you know i'm sure there are many uh

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frauds as part of our survey

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many people who have psychological

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disorders as part of our survey

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01:36:11,510 --> 01:36:10,480
but here again collectively the evidence

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suggests

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that the vast

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sheer number of people responding in a

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similar fashion you know

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excludes many of those types of

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individuals who who you know fabricate

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uh who

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you know come up with uh second stories

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for secondary gain for whatever reason

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um

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but you really can't tell it apart you

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know it's this could be science fiction

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01:36:45,109 --> 01:36:43,280
in part or or not but it but uh it's an

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understandable concern

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that's an honest answer and um

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i tell you but bob sometimes you know

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you you know them sometimes you're

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interviewing someone just like in real

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life or anything some with some people

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who are not very chatty it's like

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getting blood from a stone but i have to

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thank you that you you're half doing the

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show for us

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because

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you

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answer

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01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:15,840
but i want to get through a few so we'll

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try and keep it brief and that is so i'm

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01:37:23,750 --> 01:37:20,800
going to go to techno mage now he's been

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01:37:25,830 --> 01:37:23,760
around for a while too and he often puts

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01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,840
in very good questions

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01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:26,960
um

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01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:28,639
i'll go for one of the simple ones at

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01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,000
the start here

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01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,960
have you drawn any conclusions on the i

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01:37:36,390 --> 01:37:34,639
know you're going to say no conclusions

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01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:36,400
let's say what are your thoughts on the

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01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:38,960
betty barney hill abduction case my

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01:37:44,229 --> 01:37:41,920
thoughts is uh very interesting

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01:37:46,310 --> 01:37:44,239
to put it mildly

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01:37:47,990 --> 01:37:46,320
hard to know for sure

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01:37:50,070 --> 01:37:48,000
whether or not there's irrefutable

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01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:50,080
evidence to support what happened

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01:37:53,189 --> 01:37:51,520
actually happened in the form of

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01:37:56,070 --> 01:37:53,199
extraterrestrials

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01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,080
i mean independent communication

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01:38:00,070 --> 01:37:58,320
by different uh hypnotists or the same

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01:38:01,830 --> 01:38:00,080
hypnotists but on again two different

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01:38:03,830 --> 01:38:01,840
occasions

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01:38:06,070 --> 01:38:03,840
the same essentially the same story from

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01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:06,080
each one but again it's regressive

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01:38:11,430 --> 01:38:08,960
techniques which is questionable but yes

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01:38:14,070 --> 01:38:11,440
that's not set the foundation wheels in

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01:38:14,830 --> 01:38:14,080
in motion for possible psycho-cultural

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01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:14,840
uh

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01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,080
influences on the part of others who you

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01:38:22,149 --> 01:38:21,119
know focus in on that and somehow

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01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:22,159
also

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01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:25,199
generate similar types of stories based

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01:38:28,950 --> 01:38:26,960
on that experience alone because the

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01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:28,960
abduction scenario

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01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:32,639
really was stimulated the the incidence

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01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:36,080
of such stories uh skyrocketed after

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01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:36,880
that

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01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:39,360
initial initial you know widely

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01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:41,920
publicized event but you know but you

2430
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:44,480
let me uh mention one thing regarding

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01:38:48,310 --> 01:38:46,639
the survey data we have

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01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:48,320
and i appreciate the questions on the

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01:38:51,910 --> 01:38:50,480
part of your audience and i hope to hear

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01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:51,920
more of them

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01:38:57,830 --> 01:38:53,760
the question we asked if you could stop

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01:38:59,350 --> 01:38:57,840
your et contact experience would you

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01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,360
ninety percent

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01:39:05,750 --> 01:39:01,520
said no

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01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:05,760
over twenty eight hundred with conscious

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01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,199
recall

2441
01:39:10,790 --> 01:39:08,880
do you feel there's so some sort of

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01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:10,800
grand plan in motion

2443
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:13,040
experiences are all a part of ninety

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01:39:17,830 --> 01:39:15,760
percent said yes

2445
01:39:19,669 --> 01:39:17,840
again forty two percent said they feel

2446
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:19,679
they're involved in an alien breeding

2447
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:21,119
program

2448
01:39:27,430 --> 01:39:24,960
but the key point here is

2449
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:27,440
over 40 percent have been claimed to be

2450
01:39:31,430 --> 01:39:29,520
abducted over 10 times throughout their

2451
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:31,440
life that's not uncommon and we know

2452
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:32,400
that

2453
01:39:38,470 --> 01:39:35,440
but why does such a vast majority say

2454
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,480
they don't want these experiences to end

2455
01:39:42,310 --> 01:39:40,960
in part because they realize it's a

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01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,320
positive

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01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,119
effect on their behavior attitude

2458
01:39:49,830 --> 01:39:46,880
philosophies

2459
01:39:51,830 --> 01:39:49,840
uh and the question again is why and i i

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01:39:54,229 --> 01:39:51,840
would think sociologists psychologists

2461
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:54,239
alone would find that fascinating and if

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01:39:59,189 --> 01:39:56,800
the data maintained

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01:40:01,990 --> 01:39:59,199
over time with a much more substantially

2464
01:40:03,510 --> 01:40:02,000
large population base which we will have

2465
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,520
worldwide

2466
01:40:09,030 --> 01:40:06,000
i don't know how

2467
01:40:10,790 --> 01:40:09,040
researchers could ignore that alone let

2468
01:40:12,390 --> 01:40:10,800
alone everything else

2469
01:40:14,629 --> 01:40:12,400
uh it's it's

2470
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:14,639
it's impossible to understand and

2471
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,119
explain but it certainly is gets my

2472
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:19,520
attention more than anything else

2473
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:21,840
the thing the thing that's always got me

2474
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:24,159
about the abduction phenomenon

2475
01:40:28,629 --> 01:40:25,440
is

2476
01:40:30,950 --> 01:40:28,639
maybe not yourself and free but

2477
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:30,960
according to some researchers it's just

2478
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:33,440
the numbers reported and especially in

2479
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:36,480
north america it seems to be i don't

2480
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:39,840
know if it's due to a ufo culture or

2481
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:42,960
just the saturation of news media and

2482
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:45,679
what have you compared to

2483
01:40:51,590 --> 01:40:47,920
another country or land mass with a

2484
01:40:53,109 --> 01:40:51,600
similar population but the the numbers

2485
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,119
are just

2486
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:55,600
frightening if even remotely true we're

2487
01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,679
talking about you know a sizable

2488
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:59,760
percentage of the

2489
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,600
you know the population of the united

2490
01:41:06,470 --> 01:41:04,080
states are apparently claiming to have

2491
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:06,480
had some kind of abduction experience

2492
01:41:12,870 --> 01:41:08,960
now i might i just want to quickly add

2493
01:41:15,990 --> 01:41:12,880
in here i have mentioned on shows past

2494
01:41:18,149 --> 01:41:16,000
that i did have one kind of semi-waking

2495
01:41:20,790 --> 01:41:18,159
experience that was kind of like

2496
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:20,800
abduction thing i have absolutely no

2497
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:23,600
doubt was just some kind of you know

2498
01:41:28,470 --> 01:41:26,480
hypnagogic dream or sleep paralysis or

2499
01:41:29,910 --> 01:41:28,480
something which i've had i don't think

2500
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:29,920
i've been abducted

2501
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,000
but weirdly in the last few weeks i

2502
01:41:39,830 --> 01:41:37,119
noticed that on the back of my left hand

2503
01:41:42,870 --> 01:41:39,840
i've now got a perfect isosceles

2504
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:42,880
triangle of three marks i'm not saying

2505
01:41:46,950 --> 01:41:44,880
this is from any abduction stuff but i

2506
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,960
know these have been seen before and

2507
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,440
it's it's very weird to get three kind

2508
01:41:55,590 --> 01:41:52,159
of spots or something that seemed to be

2509
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:55,600
permanent fixtures i've no idea where

2510
01:41:59,910 --> 01:41:58,320
they came from i don't remember like the

2511
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,920
day they weren't there and the day they

2512
01:42:03,430 --> 01:42:01,199
were they were

2513
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:03,440
but you know and i'll maybe post a photo

2514
01:42:07,350 --> 01:42:05,040
in the forum but

2515
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,360
they're there and i just wonder you know

2516
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:09,840
if i was someone else

2517
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,239
having the you know the fact that i i'm

2518
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:14,880
claiming that you know 10 15 years ago i

2519
01:42:20,709 --> 01:42:18,320
did have some strange kind of experience

2520
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:20,719
that i just think was my mind

2521
01:42:24,229 --> 01:42:22,800
but now with this second thing i'm just

2522
01:42:27,109 --> 01:42:24,239
thinking you know would

2523
01:42:29,350 --> 01:42:27,119
maybe would another person or 50

2524
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:29,360
percent of people with these two

2525
01:42:33,750 --> 01:42:31,440
experiences in their life would they go

2526
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:33,760
on to confabulate something knowingly or

2527
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:36,320
unknowingly you know not intentionally

2528
01:42:38,870 --> 01:42:37,600
um

2529
01:42:40,149 --> 01:42:38,880
these are kind of my thoughts and

2530
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:40,159
abduction

2531
01:42:45,109 --> 01:42:42,960
well i i i i would uh

2532
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,119
i think gene did it i wouldn't rule that

2533
01:42:48,470 --> 01:42:47,520
out as a possibility you know if i may

2534
01:42:50,310 --> 01:42:48,480
uh

2535
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,320
you think well i'll tell you something

2536
01:42:55,189 --> 01:42:52,480
they blame me for everything there's

2537
01:42:57,510 --> 01:42:55,199
very little that they don't blame me for

2538
01:42:59,510 --> 01:42:57,520
like right there are people who blame me

2539
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,520
because i've had financial difficulties

2540
01:43:03,990 --> 01:43:01,679
in recent years that's my fault

2541
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:04,000
well you know i guess we can say maybe i

2542
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:06,000
could have done things differently but

2543
01:43:10,310 --> 01:43:08,000
we can't always blame

2544
01:43:12,550 --> 01:43:10,320
people just because what happens to them

2545
01:43:13,910 --> 01:43:12,560
is not what they like or you'd like to

2546
01:43:16,149 --> 01:43:13,920
happen to them

2547
01:43:18,550 --> 01:43:16,159
it doesn't make any sense to me either

2548
01:43:20,629 --> 01:43:18,560
yeah exactly well said yes getting back

2549
01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:20,639
to your point certainly many people

2550
01:43:26,149 --> 01:43:23,760
would come to the conclusion that that

2551
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:26,159
symptoms you're experiencing are related

2552
01:43:29,270 --> 01:43:28,239
to an abduction phenomenon but let's be

2553
01:43:31,030 --> 01:43:29,280
objective

2554
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:31,040
uh let's

2555
01:43:38,149 --> 01:43:35,360
firmly make a conclusion without more

2556
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,159
data shall we say it's unusual yes but

2557
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,000
it could be meaningless or it could be

2558
01:43:44,149 --> 01:43:42,000
something uh let's see what else happens

2559
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:44,159
to over the next uh

2560
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:46,239
a few years maybe maybe something is

2561
01:43:49,510 --> 01:43:47,520
happening

2562
01:43:53,090 --> 01:43:49,520
along these lines it's

2563
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:53,100
certainly hard to say and of course

2564
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:54,480
[Music]

2565
01:43:58,229 --> 01:43:56,560
alien abduction researchers have of

2566
01:44:00,629 --> 01:43:58,239
course noted that in their sample

2567
01:44:02,629 --> 01:44:00,639
population people report that in hours

2568
01:44:05,590 --> 01:44:02,639
as well it's not an uncommon

2569
01:44:07,510 --> 01:44:05,600
circumstance dr roger lear obviously

2570
01:44:10,390 --> 01:44:07,520
removed implants from

2571
01:44:11,669 --> 01:44:10,400
from individuals

2572
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,679
and you know

2573
01:44:14,390 --> 01:44:12,960
he said

2574
01:44:15,750 --> 01:44:14,400
under analysis

2575
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,760
it was

2576
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:17,760
considered to be of non-earthly origin

2577
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:19,760
you know i can go into some detail about

2578
01:44:22,709 --> 01:44:20,719
it but

2579
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,719
i want to ask you about that maybe in

2580
01:44:27,510 --> 01:44:25,199
our next segment because we had the late

2581
01:44:29,830 --> 01:44:27,520
dr lear on the power cast on a few

2582
01:44:32,229 --> 01:44:29,840
occasions and he seemed like a genial

2583
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:32,239
gentleman and he kept making this claim

2584
01:44:35,350 --> 01:44:33,600
about these

2585
01:44:37,669 --> 01:44:35,360
removed implants

2586
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:37,679
exhibiting evidence of maybe being of

2587
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:40,400
non-alien origin but has that been

2588
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,320
independently confirmed that's a very

2589
01:44:46,709 --> 01:44:44,320
important question and i want you to get

2590
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:46,719
to that with our next segment i would

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want to tell you folks that the best way

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

2667
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:15,030
okay we have robert davis joining us

2668
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,040
his book which is in front of me is

2669
01:48:21,109 --> 01:48:19,600
called the ufo phenomenon

2670
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,119
should i believe

2671
01:48:25,030 --> 01:48:22,960
so i posed a few

2672
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:25,040
questions or flies in the ointment there

2673
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:27,440
bob would you respond to them

2674
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:30,159
uh regarding implant evidence from dr

2675
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:32,320
roger lear i suspect most of your

2676
01:48:37,350 --> 01:48:34,560
listening audience is aware of

2677
01:48:39,590 --> 01:48:37,360
his his work he was a

2678
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:39,600
podiatry surgeon

2679
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:41,520
he had a great interest of course in the

2680
01:48:44,870 --> 01:48:43,920
implant phenomenon which people report

2681
01:48:48,629 --> 01:48:44,880
to have

2682
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:48,639
received upon removal of these

2683
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:51,679
devices which he contend uh actually

2684
01:48:57,510 --> 01:48:54,239
moved away from his scalp when when he

2685
01:48:58,830 --> 01:48:57,520
attempted to retrieve them as if it had

2686
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:58,840
some type of

2687
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,520
reflexive nature to it

2688
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,560
he said it was if my memory is right he

2689
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,119
he said it was encased in a dense gray

2690
01:49:11,990 --> 01:49:09,040
tough membrane

2691
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:12,000
composed of blood protein and skin cells

2692
01:49:16,950 --> 01:49:14,480
and there was no inflammatory process to

2693
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:16,960
the adjacent tissue which is uh not

2694
01:49:21,030 --> 01:49:18,560
customary for

2695
01:49:22,950 --> 01:49:21,040
anything that's foreign being in the

2696
01:49:25,109 --> 01:49:22,960
body i was just going to say yeah that

2697
01:49:27,669 --> 01:49:25,119
he always always would highlight the

2698
01:49:30,629 --> 01:49:27,679
fact the total lack of inflammatory

2699
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:30,639
response i mean this is a a major thing

2700
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,040
that any time you put a foreign body

2701
01:49:39,189 --> 01:49:36,159
inside the human body it has an a

2702
01:49:41,669 --> 01:49:39,199
response to kind of kill the invader if

2703
01:49:44,950 --> 01:49:41,679
you like and the only

2704
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:44,960
things like i suppose medical steel or

2705
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:45,840
you know

2706
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,040
whatever

2707
01:49:52,629 --> 01:49:50,320
clean metals glass plastic

2708
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:52,639
you know are the only things that

2709
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,199
you may be able to slip into a body that

2710
01:50:00,629 --> 01:49:58,000
may not will not produce such a response

2711
01:50:02,229 --> 01:50:00,639
but generally for and certainly if

2712
01:50:03,270 --> 01:50:02,239
people are trying to argue well there's

2713
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,280
nothing

2714
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:05,760
unearthly about what's that somebody

2715
01:50:09,990 --> 01:50:07,920
stepped on a nail if it's worked its way

2716
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:10,000
into the guy he's forgotten about it 10

2717
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,560
years later it's worked its way into a

2718
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,480
place where it's touching a nerve now he

2719
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:16,080
thinks he's got something they have a

2720
01:50:19,910 --> 01:50:18,400
look but these objects he's pulling out

2721
01:50:21,430 --> 01:50:19,920
they don't seem to fit into that

2722
01:50:24,790 --> 01:50:21,440
category do they

2723
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,800
no while there are some unusual biologic

2724
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,040
activity associated with it that doesn't

2725
01:50:31,750 --> 01:50:29,840
again mean that some alien put put it in

2726
01:50:34,149 --> 01:50:31,760
there for whatever for whatever reason

2727
01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:34,159
it's nevertheless unusual but

2728
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,400
but he he said upon the analysis of the

2729
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:40,719
implants that they were basically i

2730
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,440
think he called it meteoric in origin

2731
01:50:49,109 --> 01:50:45,280
and it contained over 10 different

2732
01:50:51,590 --> 01:50:49,119
elements but they did a lot of analysis

2733
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,600
one being metallurgical

2734
01:50:55,590 --> 01:50:53,440
analysis which

2735
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:55,600
came back with the conclusion that it

2736
01:51:01,270 --> 01:50:58,400
was quote unquote if our memory is right

2737
01:51:03,430 --> 01:51:01,280
extraterrestrial in origin and it

2738
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:03,440
included metals or

2739
01:51:09,830 --> 01:51:06,080
isotopic ratios i think of the metal

2740
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:09,840
composition that was concluded by those

2741
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:12,239
who were performing the analysis to not

2742
01:51:18,310 --> 01:51:15,520
be from earth well i'd love to see that

2743
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:18,320
independently corroborated by other

2744
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,719
researchers we need that by more than

2745
01:51:24,390 --> 01:51:23,280
one to see if we get the similar

2746
01:51:26,629 --> 01:51:24,400
conclusions

2747
01:51:29,350 --> 01:51:26,639
above all above all

2748
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,360
along these lines in a sense above all i

2749
01:51:33,590 --> 01:51:31,840
would love to give these individuals who

2750
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:33,600
claim to have repeated abduction

2751
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,760
experiences of which there are many it's

2752
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,239
it's very common as you well know to

2753
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:40,480
have repeated abductions over one's

2754
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:44,080
lifetime let's give them a dna assay

2755
01:51:48,629 --> 01:51:46,639
kit so that the next time

2756
01:51:50,149 --> 01:51:48,639
they're abducted they take it with them

2757
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,159
right

2758
01:51:55,189 --> 01:51:52,960
and get us some type of a skin sample i

2759
01:51:56,550 --> 01:51:55,199
say just kiddingly and not kiddingly a

2760
01:51:57,910 --> 01:51:56,560
skin sample

2761
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:57,920
which obviously is not going to be

2762
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:00,480
allowed possibly

2763
01:52:05,510 --> 01:52:02,239
and bring it back home if you know if we

2764
01:52:08,070 --> 01:52:05,520
can get some dna evidence that above all

2765
01:52:11,430 --> 01:52:08,080
will provide a basis for

2766
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,440
objectively confirming that we have some

2767
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:13,920
non-earthlings so to speak

2768
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:16,880
here that would be significant and maybe

2769
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,599
maybe some future researchers will

2770
01:52:25,189 --> 01:52:21,840
look at that as as a distinct

2771
01:52:27,669 --> 01:52:25,199
possibility as absurd in principle maybe

2772
01:52:29,189 --> 01:52:27,679
as it might sound initially but there

2773
01:52:31,910 --> 01:52:29,199
are certainly many other different types

2774
01:52:34,709 --> 01:52:31,920
of approaches that should be initiated

2775
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,719
uh to better understand the phenomenon

2776
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:35,840
um

2777
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,000
right bob i'm i'm gonna

2778
01:52:44,390 --> 01:52:40,880
go back to the listeners questions again

2779
01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:44,400
from forum.paracast.com

2780
01:52:48,350 --> 01:52:46,639
actually from a fellow scotsman

2781
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:48,360
going by the moniker

2782
01:52:53,229 --> 01:52:51,119
spectre73 and he's got quite a simple

2783
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,239
question and that is do you think

2784
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:55,760
speculation on the who's and whys of the

2785
01:53:00,870 --> 01:52:58,960
youthful phenomenon is important should

2786
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,880
we instead be focusing on the

2787
01:53:05,910 --> 01:53:03,599
individuals who have the experience what

2788
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:05,920
was happening in their life before and

2789
01:53:09,510 --> 01:53:07,679
after and i think we touched on that

2790
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:09,520
earlier on but this is

2791
01:53:13,030 --> 01:53:10,960
specific

2792
01:53:14,790 --> 01:53:13,040
yeah we did touch upon that earlier but

2793
01:53:18,229 --> 01:53:14,800
that that again is a very very

2794
01:53:19,189 --> 01:53:18,239
insightful comment and and question yes

2795
01:53:22,390 --> 01:53:19,199
indeed

2796
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:22,400
and the the essence of where we need to

2797
01:53:27,189 --> 01:53:24,400
go is just in that direction which is

2798
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:27,199
again free is attempting to do try to

2799
01:53:32,470 --> 01:53:30,400
understand the essence of the experience

2800
01:53:33,510 --> 01:53:32,480
by those who claim to have conscious

2801
01:53:34,870 --> 01:53:33,520
recall

2802
01:53:36,950 --> 01:53:34,880
of

2803
01:53:38,629 --> 01:53:36,960
an encounter with some non-human

2804
01:53:40,550 --> 01:53:38,639
intelligent being

2805
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:40,560
if we can't understand the

2806
01:53:45,910 --> 01:53:43,440
so-called phenomenological aspects of it

2807
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:45,920
the meaning and impact it had on their

2808
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,800
life

2809
01:53:50,310 --> 01:53:48,480
from before

2810
01:53:53,589 --> 01:53:50,320
and the transitory effects that that

2811
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:53,599
experience had had after the experience

2812
01:53:57,189 --> 01:53:55,520
that would say a great deal as well as

2813
01:53:59,270 --> 01:53:57,199
trying to understand the psychological

2814
01:54:02,629 --> 01:53:59,280
profile obviously of the of that

2815
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,639
individual but yes we did touch upon it

2816
01:54:07,270 --> 01:54:04,800
prior based on the the positive

2817
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:07,280
transformative aspects of of

2818
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:10,880
the encounter experience

2819
01:54:14,790 --> 01:54:12,239
um

2820
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:14,800
relative to before and after the

2821
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:17,520
experience which again is similar to the

2822
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:19,599
those who have an nde

2823
01:54:25,990 --> 01:54:22,000
uh but that is getting at the heart of

2824
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,000
the matter uh let's study the person

2825
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:28,560
uh let's try to figure out

2826
01:54:34,470 --> 01:54:32,159
the true nature of their experience as

2827
01:54:36,709 --> 01:54:34,480
best as possible and that's what we're

2828
01:54:38,550 --> 01:54:36,719
trying to do not only from our surveys

2829
01:54:41,270 --> 01:54:38,560
which is somewhat cryptic

2830
01:54:43,589 --> 01:54:41,280
all or none binary in nature yes no

2831
01:54:46,310 --> 01:54:43,599
increase decrease that's important but

2832
01:54:49,709 --> 01:54:46,320
the qualitative aspect of our research

2833
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:49,719
the in-depth um

2834
01:54:54,070 --> 01:54:52,719
explanations that are being given to us

2835
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,080
which again we're going to follow up

2836
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:56,880
with very in-depth interviews on the

2837
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:59,119
same subjects that have responded to our

2838
01:55:03,109 --> 01:55:00,239
surveys

2839
01:55:05,750 --> 01:55:03,119
and phase three the qualitative answers

2840
01:55:08,229 --> 01:55:05,760
to 60 or so questions about various

2841
01:55:09,270 --> 01:55:08,239
topic areas of the experience

2842
01:55:11,189 --> 01:55:09,280
that

2843
01:55:13,189 --> 01:55:11,199
will provide i think some additional

2844
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,199
needed insight that hasn't been done

2845
01:55:18,390 --> 01:55:15,520
before we've had some small scale

2846
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:18,400
studies in this general topic area done

2847
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:21,040
by a few others

2848
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:22,560
many fewer people

2849
01:55:26,790 --> 01:55:24,080
basically

2850
01:55:29,189 --> 01:55:26,800
under hypnotic regression uh kathleen

2851
01:55:32,870 --> 01:55:29,199
martin for one uh commend her work she

2852
01:55:35,350 --> 01:55:32,880
was a part of free uh and and she she uh

2853
01:55:38,229 --> 01:55:35,360
will probably come back to us uh she's

2854
01:55:40,709 --> 01:55:38,239
done extraordinary work in that area uh

2855
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:40,719
but again her subjects were hypnotic had

2856
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,000
hypnotic regression uh again i'm not i'm

2857
01:55:48,790 --> 01:55:47,199
not criticizing it but i would prefer

2858
01:55:51,270 --> 01:55:48,800
conscious recall

2859
01:55:53,430 --> 01:55:51,280
for obvious reasons many obvious reasons

2860
01:55:57,510 --> 01:55:53,440
that i don't want to really get into now

2861
01:56:00,790 --> 01:55:59,350
the person that asked that question is

2862
01:56:01,510 --> 01:56:00,800
right on

2863
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:01,520
i

2864
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,199
are you

2865
01:56:11,350 --> 01:56:07,679
aware of

2866
01:56:13,270 --> 01:56:11,360
kind of what goes on in ufology and

2867
01:56:15,189 --> 01:56:13,280
say for instance countries in the far

2868
01:56:17,430 --> 01:56:15,199
east maybe japan

2869
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,440
china apparently has got you know

2870
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:19,920
probably due to its population size

2871
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:24,480
um a very large ufo research uh

2872
01:56:31,030 --> 01:56:27,360
popular research population are there

2873
01:56:34,470 --> 01:56:31,040
any are you aware of any kind of uh

2874
01:56:37,030 --> 01:56:34,480
parallel groups if you like that are

2875
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,040
investigating the same things

2876
01:56:40,070 --> 01:56:38,880
that freya is

2877
01:56:42,629 --> 01:56:40,080
um but

2878
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,639
you know in any say

2879
01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:44,159
non-america's

2880
01:56:50,550 --> 01:56:47,520
country or non-europe country yeah

2881
01:56:53,109 --> 01:56:50,560
i'm i'm not uh i'm not that familiar

2882
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:53,119
with with that which is one reason why

2883
01:56:58,550 --> 01:56:56,400
again we need to somehow put all of

2884
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,560
these organizations that are conducting

2885
01:57:02,950 --> 01:57:00,719
research under one umbrella and share

2886
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:02,960
information otherwise it's

2887
01:57:07,109 --> 01:57:04,480
um

2888
01:57:10,149 --> 01:57:07,119
you can't make sense of of all the data

2889
01:57:12,870 --> 01:57:10,159
it's independent in nature it's it's we

2890
01:57:15,030 --> 01:57:12,880
don't we don't again uh analyze the

2891
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:15,040
total population

2892
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:17,840
base or have the similar methodology

2893
01:57:23,350 --> 01:57:20,080
to explore the same questions that are

2894
01:57:25,910 --> 01:57:23,360
being asked so so that's one reason why

2895
01:57:29,109 --> 01:57:25,920
we need to do that but here again we

2896
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:29,119
have we are doing uh research

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with other

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uh scholars in in many other countries

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this is leslie kane and i'm with the

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coalition for freedom of information and

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you are listening to the paracast

3003
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chris o'brien is on the road and unable

3004
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to connect to us because he's kind of

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out of the area where he has decent

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self-service we have robert davis the

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02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:12,560
author of the ufo phenomenon our guest

3008
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:15,599
co-host is goggs makai bob you want to

3009
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continue before we move on to other

3010
02:02:21,910 --> 02:02:20,239
questions uh yeah briefly just about all

3011
02:02:24,629 --> 02:02:21,920
countries have a variety of

3012
02:02:26,229 --> 02:02:24,639
organizations that that address this

3013
02:02:28,870 --> 02:02:26,239
phenomenon

3014
02:02:31,750 --> 02:02:28,880
here again all the more reason to

3015
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:31,760
so to speak defragment the fragmented

3016
02:02:35,189 --> 02:02:33,760
worldwide ufological

3017
02:02:36,870 --> 02:02:35,199
uh effort

3018
02:02:37,990 --> 02:02:36,880
and how that's going to be accomplished

3019
02:02:39,910 --> 02:02:38,000
i don't know

3020
02:02:41,510 --> 02:02:39,920
that's quite a monumental test but the

3021
02:02:43,750 --> 02:02:41,520
question one question is are there any

3022
02:02:45,830 --> 02:02:43,760
psycho-cultural

3023
02:02:47,589 --> 02:02:45,840
variables that are associated with the

3024
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:47,599
phenomenon because we do see that for

3025
02:02:52,070 --> 02:02:49,840
instance with reincarnation evidence

3026
02:02:53,669 --> 02:02:52,080
countries that have a pronounced

3027
02:02:55,430 --> 02:02:53,679
belief

3028
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,440
in reincarnation

3029
02:02:59,430 --> 02:02:57,440
tend to

3030
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,440
illustrate a higher incidence of

3031
02:03:04,550 --> 02:03:01,679
individuals who claim to have past life

3032
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:04,560
recall well do we also see that with

3033
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:07,040
respect to the ufo phenomenon

3034
02:03:11,189 --> 02:03:09,040
it's such an interesting

3035
02:03:13,589 --> 02:03:11,199
variable to to explore further

3036
02:03:14,870 --> 02:03:13,599
nevertheless among other many other

3037
02:03:16,790 --> 02:03:14,880
variables

3038
02:03:20,070 --> 02:03:16,800
uh so um

3039
02:03:23,189 --> 02:03:20,080
yeah yeah i'd uh that's one reason why

3040
02:03:25,510 --> 02:03:23,199
we're conducting this research worldwide

3041
02:03:27,430 --> 02:03:25,520
and maybe not completely but we're

3042
02:03:29,350 --> 02:03:27,440
incorporating certainly

3043
02:03:30,310 --> 02:03:29,360
researchers in other

3044
02:03:33,189 --> 02:03:30,320
countries

3045
02:03:34,070 --> 02:03:33,199
you know we i we i have to wonder that

3046
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:34,080
this

3047
02:03:37,830 --> 02:03:36,000
when we talked earlier when i asked you

3048
02:03:40,870 --> 02:03:37,840
earlier on about you know

3049
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:40,880
what would we like ufo ufology to look

3050
02:03:45,189 --> 02:03:42,960
like if we were to kind of shake it all

3051
02:03:48,070 --> 02:03:45,199
up and you know bring it to a state

3052
02:03:49,990 --> 02:03:48,080
where we'd like to see it in and i'm

3053
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:50,000
kind of reminded of

3054
02:03:58,149 --> 02:03:53,360
how a possible chance in the past back

3055
02:04:00,470 --> 02:03:58,159
in the 70s when the president of grenada

3056
02:04:04,070 --> 02:04:00,480
was going to be making a request at the

3057
02:04:06,390 --> 02:04:04,080
united nations about forming a un

3058
02:04:09,270 --> 02:04:06,400
committee to look at the subject

3059
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:09,280
and you know at the last minute you know

3060
02:04:12,390 --> 02:04:10,800
there were some interesting people

3061
02:04:14,629 --> 02:04:12,400
involved in that

3062
02:04:17,189 --> 02:04:14,639
jack vallee was one of them i believe

3063
02:04:18,950 --> 02:04:17,199
i know i know that this the president

3064
02:04:21,109 --> 02:04:18,960
eric gray i think his name was or

3065
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,119
something like that sir eric gray but

3066
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:23,599
his he was persuaded kind of at the last

3067
02:04:28,390 --> 02:04:25,520
minute to drop his

3068
02:04:29,270 --> 02:04:28,400
official kind of uh question

3069
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:29,280
and

3070
02:04:34,790 --> 02:04:32,480
funnily enough you know very soon after

3071
02:04:36,629 --> 02:04:34,800
uh obviously the island was invaded as

3072
02:04:39,589 --> 02:04:36,639
well um

3073
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:39,599
by america and you've just got to wonder

3074
02:04:44,950 --> 02:04:41,840
it was with somebody putting the dampers

3075
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:44,960
down on or on that you know it had that

3076
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,520
seed been planted then and been able to

3077
02:04:53,189 --> 02:04:49,760
take hold you know who knows where we

3078
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:53,199
may have been today but you know it does

3079
02:04:55,990 --> 02:04:54,400
feel that

3080
02:04:57,510 --> 02:04:56,000
you know when you get to the top of

3081
02:04:59,510 --> 02:04:57,520
government and stuff

3082
02:05:00,310 --> 02:04:59,520
this subject is nonsense

3083
02:05:02,470 --> 02:05:00,320
and

3084
02:05:04,950 --> 02:05:02,480
i just don't know how we're gonna break

3085
02:05:08,790 --> 02:05:04,960
through that particular glass ceiling

3086
02:05:09,830 --> 02:05:08,800
even even if hillary clinton um was were

3087
02:05:10,950 --> 02:05:09,840
to become

3088
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:10,960
president

3089
02:05:16,629 --> 02:05:14,400
um and she's you know made a couple of

3090
02:05:19,830 --> 02:05:16,639
pronouncements about

3091
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:19,840
um ufology and obviously she's got john

3092
02:05:23,350 --> 02:05:21,760
podesta as a

3093
02:05:25,350 --> 02:05:23,360
on her ticket

3094
02:05:29,109 --> 02:05:25,360
not as a running mate but obviously an

3095
02:05:30,149 --> 02:05:29,119
advisor and possible cabinet member

3096
02:05:32,709 --> 02:05:30,159
but i

3097
02:05:34,550 --> 02:05:32,719
i don't think i don't think it's i don't

3098
02:05:36,149 --> 02:05:34,560
think it would go anywhere with her i

3099
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:36,159
don't see any

3100
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:39,840
government

3101
02:05:46,629 --> 02:05:43,760
coming forward with anything probably

3102
02:05:48,629 --> 02:05:46,639
not china either but maybe a country

3103
02:05:50,550 --> 02:05:48,639
like france but certainly one of the

3104
02:05:52,070 --> 02:05:50,560
south american countries i think that's

3105
02:05:53,830 --> 02:05:52,080
where we may look

3106
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:53,840
look

3107
02:05:57,669 --> 02:05:55,520
get something going

3108
02:05:59,830 --> 02:05:57,679
yes you're right there are obviously

3109
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,840
some countries whose government is much

3110
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:02,480
more open about the phenomenon with with

3111
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,880
the public at large

3112
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:06,560
the united states is certainly not one

3113
02:06:09,350 --> 02:06:07,920
of them

3114
02:06:11,669 --> 02:06:09,360
unfortunately

3115
02:06:14,070 --> 02:06:11,679
but of course we can't rely on any

3116
02:06:17,270 --> 02:06:14,080
government to

3117
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:17,280
facilitate an organized

3118
02:06:21,750 --> 02:06:19,119
governance structure and associated

3119
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,760
research effort of the phenomenon we

3120
02:06:27,189 --> 02:06:23,920
have to rely on

3121
02:06:28,149 --> 02:06:27,199
me you and other people

3122
02:06:30,709 --> 02:06:28,159
to

3123
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:30,719
do whatever may be necessary

3124
02:06:33,589 --> 02:06:32,320
you know by utilizing maybe some

3125
02:06:34,790 --> 02:06:33,599
established

3126
02:06:37,109 --> 02:06:34,800
uh

3127
02:06:39,990 --> 02:06:37,119
organizations and and

3128
02:06:42,229 --> 02:06:40,000
modifying it in some way or establishing

3129
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,239
a new organization from the ground up

3130
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:44,480
like free although free is not really a

3131
02:06:48,950 --> 02:06:46,239
good example but the point is that we

3132
02:06:51,270 --> 02:06:48,960
need to get a group of dedicated people

3133
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:51,280
with the right credentials mindset

3134
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:54,320
mission research capabilities etc etc an

3135
02:06:58,870 --> 02:06:56,560
idealized approach which i address in my

3136
02:07:00,790 --> 02:06:58,880
book the ufo phenomenon should i should

3137
02:07:01,830 --> 02:07:00,800
i believe in terms of where we need to

3138
02:07:06,709 --> 02:07:01,840
go

3139
02:07:09,910 --> 02:07:06,719
this and associated research but the

3140
02:07:12,950 --> 02:07:09,920
point is and i think we all can agree

3141
02:07:15,030 --> 02:07:12,960
and maybe some can't we are in a state

3142
02:07:17,189 --> 02:07:15,040
of disarray this is not a unique

3143
02:07:19,910 --> 02:07:17,199
perspective and it's a very very

3144
02:07:20,790 --> 02:07:19,920
frustrating issue a personal issue as

3145
02:07:23,030 --> 02:07:20,800
well as

3146
02:07:24,229 --> 02:07:23,040
not only me but many many others i know

3147
02:07:25,430 --> 02:07:24,239
share this

3148
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:25,440
position

3149
02:07:30,069 --> 02:07:27,280
we need to do something different this

3150
02:07:32,390 --> 02:07:30,079
is such a pronounced phenomenon that

3151
02:07:35,189 --> 02:07:32,400
requires such dedicated

3152
02:07:36,870 --> 02:07:35,199
attention by so many scientists and

3153
02:07:38,629 --> 02:07:36,880
non-scientists

3154
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:38,639
to try to figure out what's going on

3155
02:07:43,830 --> 02:07:41,280
because the implications if known

3156
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:43,840
about what this phenomenon is could be

3157
02:07:48,629 --> 02:07:45,920
quite significant again on an

3158
02:07:51,109 --> 02:07:48,639
individual's and societal level

3159
02:07:54,069 --> 02:07:51,119
and even if we did

3160
02:07:55,750 --> 02:07:54,079
organize a new organ as a new structure

3161
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:55,760
and conduct many different types of

3162
02:08:01,350 --> 02:07:58,400
research by independent investigators we

3163
02:08:03,990 --> 02:08:01,360
still might not draw any conclusion

3164
02:08:05,669 --> 02:08:04,000
or gain any additional knowledge them

3165
02:08:08,310 --> 02:08:05,679
that we already have but the point is we

3166
02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:08,320
need to try to do something different

3167
02:08:12,069 --> 02:08:09,840
again i'm tired of reading the books

3168
02:08:14,950 --> 02:08:12,079
about ufos over brooklyn and the bronx

3169
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:14,960
and long island and and my you know my

3170
02:08:19,510 --> 02:08:17,679
aunt was abducted by xyz

3171
02:08:21,669 --> 02:08:19,520
you know what i mean there's too much

3172
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:21,679
that nonsense out there we all know that

3173
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:24,079
and that's what turns off a lot people

3174
02:08:27,990 --> 02:08:25,840
in general and obviously the scientific

3175
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:28,000
community is so much of this nonsense

3176
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:30,000
and i don't know how to to get across

3177
02:08:35,030 --> 02:08:32,079
the notion that this this should not be

3178
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:35,040
perceived at the new age pseudoscience

3179
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:36,639
it should not be

3180
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:38,159
there are so many aspects of the

3181
02:08:43,270 --> 02:08:40,320
phenomenon that are so profoundly

3182
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:43,280
interesting and important and real and

3183
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,440
valid and that's the only thing i will

3184
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:47,520
say with certainty this is a valid

3185
02:08:52,709 --> 02:08:50,480
phenomenon that's all i can say

3186
02:08:55,109 --> 02:08:52,719
well we talk about it all the time in

3187
02:08:57,830 --> 02:08:55,119
the podcast and that you know one

3188
02:09:01,189 --> 02:08:57,840
opportunity should be for

3189
02:09:03,189 --> 02:09:01,199
possibly enlightening some people maybe

3190
02:09:05,030 --> 02:09:03,199
to well we don't think we're going to

3191
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:05,040
get maybe the younger

3192
02:09:10,310 --> 02:09:06,800
text mad

3193
02:09:13,109 --> 02:09:10,320
um social media mad generation

3194
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:13,119
to physical conferences but

3195
02:09:17,430 --> 02:09:16,079
if we use the technology that they're

3196
02:09:19,910 --> 02:09:17,440
interested in

3197
02:09:22,950 --> 02:09:19,920
facebook you know tinder whatever all

3198
02:09:24,390 --> 02:09:22,960
these anything and just

3199
02:09:26,709 --> 02:09:24,400
eat you know

3200
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:26,719
anything electronic on the internet

3201
02:09:34,229 --> 02:09:30,159
um but we need to move away from having

3202
02:09:37,109 --> 02:09:34,239
serious researchers on the same platform

3203
02:09:38,310 --> 02:09:37,119
as the the fringe ones

3204
02:09:40,870 --> 02:09:38,320
and

3205
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:40,880
the really annoying thing for me is it

3206
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seems that if you want to

3207
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maybe full of crap

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this is jacques valley you're listening

3332
02:15:13,589 --> 02:15:00,159
to the paracast

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02:15:18,390 --> 02:15:15,830
okay okay okay okay it sounds like you

3334
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:18,400
wanted to become porky pig porky pig i

3335
02:15:22,390 --> 02:15:20,960
can't do that imitation only one guy in

3336
02:15:24,149 --> 02:15:22,400
the universe

3337
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:24,159
could do porky pig and that was the late

3338
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:25,280
male blank

3339
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:27,840
the ufo phenomenon is the book

3340
02:15:31,510 --> 02:15:29,840
goggs was making kind of a commentary

3341
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:31,520
there and i think robert would like to

3342
02:15:36,149 --> 02:15:32,960
answer

3343
02:15:37,990 --> 02:15:36,159
well yeah it's a reasonable idea and we

3344
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:38,000
go to these conferences and we hear the

3345
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:40,079
same thing maybe with a different twist

3346
02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:42,320
we hear the uh certain you know

3347
02:15:47,910 --> 02:15:45,599
spiritualist metaphysical

3348
02:15:50,629 --> 02:15:47,920
hypnotic regressive

3349
02:15:53,189 --> 02:15:50,639
experiences that that relate to

3350
02:15:55,510 --> 02:15:53,199
abductions and that's fine and there may

3351
02:15:57,109 --> 02:15:55,520
actually be considerable truth

3352
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:57,119
to to a lot of it

3353
02:16:01,109 --> 02:15:58,560
um

3354
02:16:03,510 --> 02:16:01,119
you know rosemary ellen a member of our

3355
02:16:05,589 --> 02:16:03,520
our free you know she she

3356
02:16:07,669 --> 02:16:05,599
is well aware of leading authority on

3357
02:16:08,629 --> 02:16:07,679
all aspects of the paranormal and and

3358
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:08,639
and she

3359
02:16:12,390 --> 02:16:10,480
has considerable insight into this in

3360
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:12,400
terms of the association with the ufo

3361
02:16:19,589 --> 02:16:15,760
phenomenon again being one one piece of

3362
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:19,599
a spectrum of paranormally events but

3363
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,239
but here again um you know i look at the

3364
02:16:27,030 --> 02:16:24,639
scorecard where i'll be presenting at

3365
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:27,040
the international con ufo congress in

3366
02:16:31,589 --> 02:16:29,040
february and i'm going to

3367
02:16:32,950 --> 02:16:31,599
present at a conference in australia and

3368
02:16:35,190 --> 02:16:32,960
and i'm looking forward to it for

3369
02:16:37,509 --> 02:16:35,200
several reasons but but i look at the

3370
02:16:39,349 --> 02:16:37,519
scorecard and the presenters and and

3371
02:16:41,190 --> 02:16:39,359
what they're talking about and who they

3372
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:41,200
are and it's great i'm going to listen i

3373
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:43,200
try to listen to every one but the point

3374
02:16:46,629 --> 02:16:44,880
is this

3375
02:16:48,629 --> 02:16:46,639
we don't learn anything about anything

3376
02:16:50,230 --> 02:16:48,639
new about the phenomenon not that i'm

3377
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:50,240
going to present anything that's you

3378
02:16:54,629 --> 02:16:52,479
know uniquely different but but i hope

3379
02:16:56,790 --> 02:16:54,639
again to lay the groundwork for

3380
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:56,800
additional research to be done

3381
02:17:00,790 --> 02:16:58,559
stimulate interest and that's my

3382
02:17:02,790 --> 02:17:00,800
objective with free you know let's try

3383
02:17:05,110 --> 02:17:02,800
to get the ball rolling let me just tell

3384
02:17:07,669 --> 02:17:05,120
you something here as you were talking i

3385
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,679
was thinking about the old days of vodka

3386
02:17:12,469 --> 02:17:10,000
where you had a number of these acts

3387
02:17:15,750 --> 02:17:12,479
singers comedians whatever and they have

3388
02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,760
this fixed thing they do year after year

3389
02:17:21,270 --> 02:17:17,519
they have the thing that made them

3390
02:17:23,509 --> 02:17:21,280
famous the single act a single skit

3391
02:17:25,190 --> 02:17:23,519
and they do it over and over again

3392
02:17:27,429 --> 02:17:25,200
this is before they had television so

3393
02:17:29,110 --> 02:17:27,439
they can do the same thing

3394
02:17:30,950 --> 02:17:29,120
at every venue

3395
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:30,960
and to the people there well maybe they

3396
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:32,639
saw it once or twice before and they

3397
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:35,200
like it or maybe it's the first time for

3398
02:17:37,750 --> 02:17:36,000
them

3399
02:17:40,070 --> 02:17:37,760
of course with tv you use up all your

3400
02:17:41,509 --> 02:17:40,080
material and sometimes i think with ufo

3401
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:41,519
conventions

3402
02:17:44,389 --> 02:17:43,200
people come out there they do their

3403
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:44,399
thing

3404
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,559
and then the next act gets up there and

3405
02:17:51,190 --> 02:17:49,200
they do their thing and it's like a ufo

3406
02:17:52,870 --> 02:17:51,200
vaudeville show

3407
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:52,880
it is

3408
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:54,639
yeah and you know and and they sell

3409
02:17:59,030 --> 02:17:56,479
books in the process

3410
02:18:02,549 --> 02:17:59,040
which is all well and good but it's hard

3411
02:18:05,270 --> 02:18:02,559
to develop something new and different

3412
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,280
to study the phenomenon i mean

3413
02:18:10,309 --> 02:18:07,760
that's why people focus on retrospective

3414
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:10,319
events it is interesting and they know

3415
02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:12,160
people are interested in that so it

3416
02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:14,559
sells books and thus they focus their

3417
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,160
attention on on readership that is is

3418
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:20,719
going to consume it in in more than one

3419
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:21,599
way

3420
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:23,599
but what's new and different and there's

3421
02:18:27,509 --> 02:18:26,479
nothing well what gets me is i can i can

3422
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:27,519
imagine

3423
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:29,599
say i lived in phoenix or something i

3424
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,120
can imagine a circumstance in which

3425
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:35,280
maybe i'm having a i'm trying to

3426
02:18:40,150 --> 02:18:37,679
persuade a friend who's

3427
02:18:42,309 --> 02:18:40,160
slightly open-minded but not really into

3428
02:18:44,549 --> 02:18:42,319
ufos or anything i'm just like i'm

3429
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:44,559
trying to persuade this friend

3430
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:46,080
to come along

3431
02:18:50,309 --> 02:18:47,120
and

3432
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:50,319
see maybe a certain speaker at a local

3433
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:51,599
convention

3434
02:18:56,629 --> 02:18:54,559
and i arranged to meet the guy there

3435
02:19:00,230 --> 02:18:56,639
and off i go

3436
02:19:02,709 --> 02:19:00,240
and it uh and maybe he turns up early

3437
02:19:05,990 --> 02:19:02,719
and as he walks in

3438
02:19:08,790 --> 02:19:06,000
the speaker on stage is maybe the one

3439
02:19:10,870 --> 02:19:08,800
speaker i didn't want him to see

3440
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:10,880
and he sits there and

3441
02:19:14,150 --> 02:19:12,559
listens to

3442
02:19:15,270 --> 02:19:14,160
you know whatever

3443
02:19:16,950 --> 02:19:15,280
and

3444
02:19:19,349 --> 02:19:16,960
you know you were trying to

3445
02:19:21,990 --> 02:19:19,359
get him to be exposed to

3446
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,000
a certain fact certain points of view

3447
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:24,800
whatever and he comes there and sees all

3448
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:27,280
these people enthralled to

3449
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:30,080
a bit of a woo crowd true believer kind

3450
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:31,599
of thing going on

3451
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:34,160
that personal disco see that's this is

3452
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:35,760
exactly what i thought they'd all be

3453
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:37,599
like they'd be listening to stuff like

3454
02:19:42,389 --> 02:19:40,080
that which is obviously ridiculous

3455
02:19:46,150 --> 02:19:42,399
and uh you know and this this friend

3456
02:19:49,030 --> 02:19:46,160
walks off not having even had his chance

3457
02:19:50,950 --> 02:19:49,040
to have his mind changed because he just

3458
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:50,960
because he was a bit early or something

3459
02:19:56,070 --> 02:19:53,120
but my point is

3460
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:56,080
in most things in life you you maybe can

3461
02:19:59,110 --> 02:19:57,439
get to see

3462
02:20:00,950 --> 02:19:59,120
it doesn't have to be ufology but you

3463
02:20:03,030 --> 02:20:00,960
can get to see

3464
02:20:04,230 --> 02:20:03,040
things that offer a common theme or

3465
02:20:07,750 --> 02:20:04,240
whatever but

3466
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,760
it seems to be with ufology you have to

3467
02:20:10,630 --> 02:20:08,880
rub up

3468
02:20:13,190 --> 02:20:10,640
right up against

3469
02:20:15,990 --> 02:20:13,200
things and people and points of view

3470
02:20:18,070 --> 02:20:16,000
that are almost completely opposite to

3471
02:20:20,550 --> 02:20:18,080
your own but it's still under the

3472
02:20:21,990 --> 02:20:20,560
umbrella of ufology and to the people on

3473
02:20:24,870 --> 02:20:22,000
the outside

3474
02:20:27,510 --> 02:20:24,880
they think that you know we we fall for

3475
02:20:28,309 --> 02:20:27,520
it all we we believe it's all whatever

3476
02:20:30,389 --> 02:20:28,319
and

3477
02:20:31,349 --> 02:20:30,399
how do we get away

3478
02:20:33,429 --> 02:20:31,359
from

3479
02:20:36,550 --> 02:20:33,439
stuff that's got no data

3480
02:20:39,110 --> 02:20:36,560
yeah i very insightful you know i'm

3481
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:39,120
inclined to forget about ufology with

3482
02:20:44,870 --> 02:20:41,760
this data and go to go to other more

3483
02:20:47,349 --> 02:20:44,880
established respected scientific based

3484
02:20:49,830 --> 02:20:47,359
organizations like like the society for

3485
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:49,840
noetic sciences that dr edgar mitchell

3486
02:20:54,389 --> 02:20:52,640
founded for those who may not know he

3487
02:20:56,710 --> 02:20:54,399
was a sixth person to walk on the moon a

3488
02:20:58,469 --> 02:20:56,720
leading scientist and and he

3489
02:21:01,030 --> 02:20:58,479
founded free

3490
02:21:03,990 --> 02:21:01,040
as well he passed away over a year ago

3491
02:21:05,590 --> 02:21:04,000
remarkable individual on so many levels

3492
02:21:08,070 --> 02:21:05,600
but here again he believed in the

3493
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:08,080
phenomenon and he's a proponent of the

3494
02:21:13,910 --> 02:21:11,120
of the quantum hologram theory and

3495
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:13,920
several physicists on as part of free

3496
02:21:19,429 --> 02:21:16,479
also propose that theory as as a

3497
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:19,439
possible possible explanation for all

3498
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:22,560
paranormal events not just ufos

3499
02:21:29,750 --> 02:21:25,680
but here again presenting our evidence

3500
02:21:30,950 --> 02:21:29,760
not only at ufo conferences but

3501
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:30,960
conferences

3502
02:21:35,110 --> 02:21:33,040
of consciousness studies in fact ray

3503
02:21:38,070 --> 02:21:35,120
hernandez and i are going to present the

3504
02:21:40,070 --> 02:21:38,080
paper at a consciousness conference this

3505
02:21:42,150 --> 02:21:40,080
is where this is where we need to

3506
02:21:43,910 --> 02:21:42,160
publicize the kinds of results that

3507
02:21:45,270 --> 02:21:43,920
we're obtaining

3508
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:45,280
where we'll have

3509
02:21:50,710 --> 02:21:48,080
an audience composed of more let's say a

3510
02:21:52,710 --> 02:21:50,720
more scientific oriented less new agey

3511
02:21:54,950 --> 02:21:52,720
kind of crowd i'm not putting them down

3512
02:21:57,429 --> 02:21:54,960
i i applaud everybody who has some

3513
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,439
degree of interest in it but be but be

3514
02:22:01,270 --> 02:21:59,600
objective don't debunk

3515
02:22:03,429 --> 02:22:01,280
and and i think it's great to

3516
02:22:05,590 --> 02:22:03,439
communicate about it it's a fascinating

3517
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:05,600
topic on many levels but here again

3518
02:22:10,550 --> 02:22:08,319
there are other alternative audiences

3519
02:22:13,190 --> 02:22:10,560
other than the international ufo

3520
02:22:14,230 --> 02:22:13,200
congress which again i commend alejandro

3521
02:22:16,070 --> 02:22:14,240
rojas

3522
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,080
wonderful individual has done a great

3523
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:18,880
deal for the for ufology

3524
02:22:23,830 --> 02:22:21,120
but institute of noetic sciences among

3525
02:22:25,590 --> 02:22:23,840
other kinds of consciousness-based uh

3526
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:25,600
organizations should be probably the

3527
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:27,439
focus of of

3528
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:29,600
where we should present our research i

3529
02:22:32,469 --> 02:22:30,720
intend to

3530
02:22:33,510 --> 02:22:32,479
as well as

3531
02:22:35,190 --> 02:22:33,520
physics

3532
02:22:37,429 --> 02:22:35,200
getting into aspects of the quantum

3533
02:22:39,750 --> 02:22:37,439
hologram theory not we don't have time

3534
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:39,760
to get into it here but that could be

3535
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:42,160
possibly explained as well despite its

3536
02:22:47,349 --> 02:22:45,600
controversial nature and you know

3537
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:47,359
so bob yeah i was just gonna ask you can

3538
02:22:53,030 --> 02:22:49,520
you give us a quick thumbnail on the

3539
02:22:55,750 --> 02:22:53,040
quantum hologram theory

3540
02:22:57,670 --> 02:22:55,760
very briefly

3541
02:22:59,429 --> 02:22:57,680
it's one aspect of a theory in quantum

3542
02:23:01,349 --> 02:22:59,439
physics that also relates to the

3543
02:23:03,270 --> 02:23:01,359
multiverse

3544
02:23:05,429 --> 02:23:03,280
of the possible existence in other words

3545
02:23:08,070 --> 02:23:05,439
of alternate realities or dimensions

3546
02:23:09,750 --> 02:23:08,080
that coexist with ours

3547
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:09,760
hawking was a proponent of it mikhail

3548
02:23:14,309 --> 02:23:12,319
kaku many leading physicists believed

3549
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:14,319
this to be the case and

3550
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:16,479
it may provide the means

3551
02:23:21,110 --> 02:23:18,800
by which consciousness could possibly

3552
02:23:23,270 --> 02:23:21,120
exist apart from the brain

3553
02:23:27,030 --> 02:23:23,280
and the ufo phenomenon could be one line

3554
02:23:29,990 --> 02:23:27,040
of evidence which supports this concept

3555
02:23:32,150 --> 02:23:30,000
um as well as to explain ndes and other

3556
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:32,160
body experiences

3557
02:23:35,830 --> 02:23:33,680
you know something having to do with the

3558
02:23:36,550 --> 02:23:35,840
consciousness brain distinction has been

3559
02:23:42,550 --> 02:23:36,560
in

3560
02:23:45,349 --> 02:23:42,560
and penrose among other

3561
02:23:47,270 --> 02:23:45,359
physicians have among many others have

3562
02:23:48,230 --> 02:23:47,280
looked at this and interpreted in this

3563
02:23:51,190 --> 02:23:48,240
way

3564
02:23:54,070 --> 02:23:51,200
uh as did edgar mitchell and rudy shield

3565
02:23:56,469 --> 02:23:54,080
uh again who founded and as a member of

3566
02:23:57,870 --> 02:23:56,479
our organization but

3567
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:57,880
you know we get into the

3568
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:00,880
interconnectedness of of matter that

3569
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,840
exists

3570
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:04,160
throughout the universe you manipulate

3571
02:24:09,030 --> 02:24:06,399
one here and something light years away

3572
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,040
is going to respond in return this might

3573
02:24:13,990 --> 02:24:12,000
explain remote viewing telepathy which

3574
02:24:16,630 --> 02:24:14,000
experiences content that's the mode of

3575
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:16,640
communication let's break here and we'll

3576
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:19,120
continue with our final segment about

3577
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:21,840
the interconnectedness

3578
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,680
interconnectedness

3579
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:25,439
what a concept and also a pretty

3580
02:24:30,389 --> 02:24:27,680
difficult word to say sometimes

3581
02:24:38,510 --> 02:24:30,399
robert davis gene steinberg's makai

3582
02:24:43,110 --> 02:24:39,590
[Applause]

3583
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:43,120
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saying

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might explain remote viewing or

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telepathy what about travel could one

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travel from one place to another

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instantaneously by some means

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on the same basis that we are

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interconnected somehow teleportation you

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know if you you ascribe to some of the

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reports by again experiences they

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contend that that happens to them they

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are teleported you know

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dematerialization occurs

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again what what governs that who knows

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and quantum physics does address that at

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some level obviously we do not have

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confirming empirical evidence to support

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it but but mathematically conceptually

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it may very well be

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real yet to be proven of course

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not getting into time travel which

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stephen hawking

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you know

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does not agree with but teleportation

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02:30:05,429 --> 02:30:03,680
may may in fact be the case in terms of

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consciousness especially being

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teleported you know the non-locality of

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consciousness the ability to perceive

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events at a distance from the physical

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body

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that's deemed accurate in terms of

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obtaining information from elsewhere

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without using the ordinary sensors and

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people with the ndes and vertical obes

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other body experiences

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at least there's been evidence that

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tends to support

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that in many individuals so you know

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what what is it does it prove that

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consciousness and the brain are two

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separate independent entities they're

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they are dependent at one level but not

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on another level and once the brain or

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the hard drive ceases to function then

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consciousness may potentially persist in

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another realm of existence in a

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different time in space in another

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alternate dimension i know i know these

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are very vague uh hard to wrestle with

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terms but but this is the concepts that

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are thrown out in in the field of

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quantum physics it's hard to grasp but i

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i encourage individuals to read a bit

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more about quantum physics which might

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02:31:12,790 --> 02:31:10,800
might potentially explain this however

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when people are abducted and they ask

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questions about you know what the heck's

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going on here sometimes the answers are

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given about quantum physics and and one

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common thread is that our

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notion of quantum physics so reported is

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immature but we may be on the right

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track nevertheless nevertheless the

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coexistence of alternate dimensions is

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is a common theory

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02:31:38,630 --> 02:31:35,920
yet to be proven obviously but the

3760
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quantum hologram theory of consciousness

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tries to explain these various

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modalities of

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contact experiences with non-human

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intelligences

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and we're trying to get a better

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understanding if we can try to

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associate these types of experiences

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with principles of science and boy

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02:32:01,670 --> 02:31:59,040
that's easier said than done obviously

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02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:01,680
and we may be able to make a small dent

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02:32:06,309 --> 02:32:04,160
in the overall picture but again we need

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to provide some degree of foundation by

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which other scientists in the future can

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build upon and possibly expand this into

3775
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a model that is validated or not and

3776
02:32:19,429 --> 02:32:17,680
that certainly remains to be seen but

3777
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:19,439
this is the direction

3778
02:32:25,190 --> 02:32:21,920
ufology needs to go and i'm not counting

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on ufology mufon etc to do it they don't

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have the means to do it they don't have

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the personnel

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to do it and that's why we need a need a

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new ufological mission organization

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02:32:41,030 --> 02:32:38,560
i'm not looking to run it but i'm all

3785
02:32:41,990 --> 02:32:41,040
i'm saying is something dramatically

3786
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:42,000
different

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02:32:47,990 --> 02:32:44,880
must happen in order for us to gain some

3788
02:32:50,950 --> 02:32:48,000
degree of understanding of this most

3789
02:32:53,830 --> 02:32:50,960
profound and perplexing phenomenon that

3790
02:32:57,429 --> 02:32:53,840
begs for attention by mainstream science

3791
02:32:59,750 --> 02:32:57,439
and the public at large and until we do

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02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:59,760
initiate this organized

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what

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effort process

3795
02:33:06,870 --> 02:33:04,800
we're going to be twiddling our thumbs

3796
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:06,880
and wasting our time going nowhere

3797
02:33:11,990 --> 02:33:09,280
trying to understand this

3798
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:12,000
robert you'll be aware of the term the

3799
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:14,640
invisible college yes

3800
02:33:19,910 --> 02:33:17,520
yeah yeah yeah i just wonder i'm sure

3801
02:33:22,070 --> 02:33:19,920
i've heard kind of it was obviously

3802
02:33:24,550 --> 02:33:22,080
probably on on the podcast i'm sure i've

3803
02:33:25,910 --> 02:33:24,560
heard relatively recently

3804
02:33:29,110 --> 02:33:25,920
that maybe

3805
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:29,120
guys like jack valley are involved in

3806
02:33:32,230 --> 02:33:31,280
some research right now but they're

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being

3808
02:33:38,070 --> 02:33:35,280
anything but public about it

3809
02:33:41,670 --> 02:33:38,080
and i i wonder if because i think

3810
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america probably is the last place where

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02:33:46,830 --> 02:33:45,200
your ideas of a a new open

3812
02:33:50,070 --> 02:33:46,840
maybe

3813
02:33:51,910 --> 02:33:50,080
multi-disciplinary look at these these

3814
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:51,920
basically a lot of things all boiling

3815
02:33:57,110 --> 02:33:54,319
down to consciousness really

3816
02:33:59,030 --> 02:33:57,120
you know i i i wonder is this going on

3817
02:34:01,349 --> 02:33:59,040
already but because

3818
02:34:03,270 --> 02:34:01,359
just because of the way the subjects are

3819
02:34:05,190 --> 02:34:03,280
perceived that maybe nobody's talking

3820
02:34:08,070 --> 02:34:05,200
about it so in a way it's kind of secret

3821
02:34:11,429 --> 02:34:08,080
itself it may already be going on

3822
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:11,439
it may very well be and yes i i do get a

3823
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:15,200
sense that consciousness quantum physics

3824
02:34:21,429 --> 02:34:18,960
are key underlying parameters that must

3825
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:21,439
be explored further in regards to this

3826
02:34:26,469 --> 02:34:23,920
and among many other phenomenon i'm

3827
02:34:28,389 --> 02:34:26,479
almost certain no evidence is supported

3828
02:34:31,110 --> 02:34:28,399
but i'm almost certain that that

3829
02:34:34,150 --> 02:34:31,120
whomever wherever part of the cia

3830
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:34,160
military who knows or think tanks

3831
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:36,319
independent researchers yes are focusing

3832
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:38,640
their efforts in this direction i think

3833
02:34:42,550 --> 02:34:40,000
a lot more is

3834
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:42,560
understood known about things we're

3835
02:34:48,469 --> 02:34:45,359
talking about about this phenomenon that

3836
02:34:50,389 --> 02:34:48,479
we do not obviously have access to and

3837
02:34:52,950 --> 02:34:50,399
we want the government or whomever to

3838
02:34:55,750 --> 02:34:52,960
disclose what they know of roswell and

3839
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:55,760
and you know the disclosure project and

3840
02:35:00,389 --> 02:34:58,160
things that dolan talks about and others

3841
02:35:01,670 --> 02:35:00,399
that that's all well and good excuse me

3842
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:01,680
waste of time

3843
02:35:06,230 --> 02:35:04,000
what we need to do is get disclosure

3844
02:35:08,790 --> 02:35:06,240
however on just what we're talking about

3845
02:35:10,230 --> 02:35:08,800
possible possible ongoing research in

3846
02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:10,240
these areas

3847
02:35:14,950 --> 02:35:12,720
by key individuals who are not going to

3848
02:35:16,790 --> 02:35:14,960
disclose this information i think for

3849
02:35:18,550 --> 02:35:16,800
obvious reasons but they're on to

3850
02:35:20,550 --> 02:35:18,560
something and i think this is what we're

3851
02:35:23,590 --> 02:35:20,560
getting from our research

3852
02:35:26,070 --> 02:35:23,600
this is the direction and we may be

3853
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,080
wrong but i think this is a direction

3854
02:35:30,790 --> 02:35:28,319
consciousness quantum physics and other

3855
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:30,800
associated issues but these are the key

3856
02:35:36,309 --> 02:35:33,680
elements that need to be researched and

3857
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:36,319
yes it is likely occurring in some way

3858
02:35:41,590 --> 02:35:39,359
shape or form for whatever means reasons

3859
02:35:44,389 --> 02:35:41,600
i don't know well to understand the

3860
02:35:46,309 --> 02:35:44,399
phenomenon to whose benefit not entirely

3861
02:35:48,389 --> 02:35:46,319
sure but the point is

3862
02:35:51,429 --> 02:35:48,399
the public at large

3863
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:51,439
not secretively should be engaged in

3864
02:35:56,070 --> 02:35:53,680
similar type of efforts and we certainly

3865
02:35:58,550 --> 02:35:56,080
have personnel worldwide who are more

3866
02:35:59,910 --> 02:35:58,560
than willing to do that how we unify

3867
02:36:04,550 --> 02:35:59,920
that effort

3868
02:36:07,110 --> 02:36:04,560
are the key questions

3869
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:07,120
do you expect we have only about a

3870
02:36:10,630 --> 02:36:09,040
minute or so to go here before i get

3871
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:10,640
closing credits

3872
02:36:15,270 --> 02:36:12,960
so bob do you think we're going to see

3873
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:15,280
any success at all even if we don't

3874
02:36:18,790 --> 02:36:17,600
throw out ufology but if we do

3875
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:18,800
and give it

3876
02:36:24,550 --> 02:36:22,319
a graceful burial at long last do you

3877
02:36:27,590 --> 02:36:24,560
see any real progress as you say maybe

3878
02:36:29,190 --> 02:36:27,600
not in our lifetimes

3879
02:36:30,870 --> 02:36:29,200
um

3880
02:36:32,550 --> 02:36:30,880
progress yeah

3881
02:36:34,630 --> 02:36:32,560
probably not

3882
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:34,640
i think we'll gain more insights from

3883
02:36:38,150 --> 02:36:37,120
individual experiences

3884
02:36:41,110 --> 02:36:38,160
that may

3885
02:36:43,990 --> 02:36:41,120
set a a good foundation for further

3886
02:36:45,349 --> 02:36:44,000
research to explore the essence of the

3887
02:36:47,590 --> 02:36:45,359
experience

3888
02:36:49,270 --> 02:36:47,600
that i think is the key the impact on

3889
02:36:51,590 --> 02:36:49,280
the individual the transformative

3890
02:36:53,270 --> 02:36:51,600
effects these experiences have it's it's

3891
02:36:56,230 --> 02:36:53,280
correlation with other types of

3892
02:36:57,750 --> 02:36:56,240
phenomena yes indeed trying to connect

3893
02:36:59,990 --> 02:36:57,760
the dots

3894
02:37:02,230 --> 02:37:00,000
which is easier said than done

3895
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:02,240
ufology the way it stands

3896
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:04,240
they'll never get at the issue at hand

3897
02:37:08,870 --> 02:37:07,040
they'll never uncover what's going on

3898
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:08,880
by a long shot

3899
02:37:12,070 --> 02:37:11,120
long shot they're on the first step of a

3900
02:37:14,469 --> 02:37:12,080
of a

3901
02:37:17,110 --> 02:37:14,479
you know ladder that reaches to the

3902
02:37:19,750 --> 02:37:17,120
world trade center

3903
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:19,760
you know we're going nowhere we're going

3904
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:21,600
nowhere nevertheless it's entertaining

3905
02:37:25,670 --> 02:37:23,680
it's interesting we've learned a lot

3906
02:37:26,550 --> 02:37:25,680
we've learned a lot i commend you all

3907
02:37:28,070 --> 02:37:26,560
people

3908
02:37:30,230 --> 02:37:28,080
i commend you all

3909
02:37:32,469 --> 02:37:30,240
researchers who have focused attention

3910
02:37:34,790 --> 02:37:32,479
have done research you're wonderful

3911
02:37:35,910 --> 02:37:34,800
robert davis please tell our listeners

3912
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:35,920
quickly

3913
02:37:39,110 --> 02:37:37,680
how they can find out more information

3914
02:37:42,550 --> 02:37:39,120
about what you do

3915
02:37:45,030 --> 02:37:42,560
my website is the ufo phenomenon dot com

3916
02:37:47,110 --> 02:37:45,040
that pretty much will tell it all i've

3917
02:37:51,190 --> 02:37:47,120
obviously been on other radio shows they

3918
02:37:53,670 --> 02:37:51,200
can find that on my website and google

3919
02:37:55,830 --> 02:37:53,680
but more importantly uh listen to your

3920
02:37:58,309 --> 02:37:55,840
show which i have great respect for you

3921
02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:58,319
do wonderful wonderful work um been a

3922
02:38:03,990 --> 02:38:01,840
big fan for many years and focus on what

3923
02:38:06,870 --> 02:38:04,000
the research is that free is undertaking

3924
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:06,880
experiencer.org we share our survey

3925
02:38:09,750 --> 02:38:08,080
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3940
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:45,510
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3941
02:38:49,830 --> 02:38:48,000
the power cast yeah thanks robert it's

3942
02:38:52,030 --> 02:38:49,840
my pleasure thank you very much you've

3943
02:39:01,660 --> 02:38:52,040
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